Maggyie Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 [quote name='KnightofChrist' date='09 December 2009 - 11:28 PM' timestamp='1260415692' post='2017206'] For the sake of the actual topic I concede this issue. The article in post [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=101099&view=findpost&p=2017185"]54[/url] is a reliable source. [/quote] OK. Yes, the Afghanistan thing is pretty disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhrhrahraa Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 [quote name='KnightofChrist' date='09 December 2009 - 10:24 PM' timestamp='1260415489' post='2017198'] Yet you have claimed to have read 'his' articles, because you stated "most of his articles deal with demonizing Islam." 'He' may very well be a fraud, however if there are indeed more articles by the reporter they would help shed light on this whole issue. [/quote] Can't a human make a mistake without another lashing his throat? Yes, I did read 'his' 'other articles' yet turned out to be by someone totally random and different with the same views as the former. If you're so convinced about him being legit, then find us the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted December 10, 2009 Author Share Posted December 10, 2009 (edited) [quote name='bhrhrahraa' date='09 December 2009 - 10:30 PM' timestamp='1260415813' post='2017209'] Can't a human make a mistake without another lashing his throat? Yes, I did read 'his' 'other articles' yet turned out to be by someone totally random and different with the same views as the former. If you're so convinced about him being legit, then find us the rest. [/quote] We made our posts at the same time, after I saw you made yours I dropped the issue. Edited December 10, 2009 by KnightofChrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhrhrahraa Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 [quote name='KnightofChrist' date='09 December 2009 - 10:32 PM' timestamp='1260415927' post='2017212'] We made our posts at the same time, after I saw you made yours I dropped the issue. [/quote] Fine by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Has anyone responded yet to Amina and Sarah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 [quote name='KnightofChrist' date='09 December 2009 - 10:32 PM' timestamp='1260415927' post='2017212'] We made our posts at the same time, after I saw you made yours I dropped the issue. [/quote] And smashed my wife's prized vase! (Pronounced Vahzz) You shall be hearing from my attorney, Dr. notardillacid, esq.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' date='09 December 2009 - 10:35 PM' timestamp='1260416130' post='2017216'] Has anyone responded yet to Amina and Sarah? [/quote] What did they say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted December 10, 2009 Author Share Posted December 10, 2009 [quote name='Maggie' date='09 December 2009 - 10:30 PM' timestamp='1260415807' post='2017208'] OK. Yes, the Afghanistan thing is pretty disgusting. [/quote] Yes, it is and it is a common theme in Islamic nations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Nothing. They were murdered by their father. Of course, Robert Spencer is the author of this article - therefore I am sure our Muslim friends will count it as trash. Even though this is a valid (and tragic) story, and a solid example of Islamic violence. [quote] Amina Said, 18, and her sister Sarah, 17, smile happily in one widely circulating photo, and Amina is wearing what looks like a sweatshirt bearing the name “AMERICAN.” But their fate may have been the herald of a new, disquieting feature of the American landscape: honor killing. Amina and Sarah were shot dead in Irving, Texas, on New Year’s Day. Police are searching for their father, Yaser Abdel Said, on a warrant for capital murder. The girls’ great aunt, Gail Gartrell, told reporters, “This was an honor killing.” She explained that Yaser Said had long abused the girls, and after discovering that they had boyfriends, had threatened to kill them -- whereupon their mother fled with them. “She ran with them,” said Gartrell, “because she knew he would carry out the threat.” But Said found them, and apparently did carry it out. Honor killing, the practice of murdering a female family member who is believed to have sullied the family honor, enjoys widespread acceptance in some areas of the Islamic world. However, Islam Said, the brother of Amina and Sarah, has denied that the murders had anything to do with Islam at all. “It’s not religion,” he insisted. “It’s something else. Religion has nothing to do with it.” And to be sure, the Qur’an or Islamic tradition does not sanction honor killing. Muslim spokesmen have hastened, after the recent killing in Canada of another teenage Muslim girl, Aqsa Parvez, by her father to tell the public that honor killing has nothing to do with Islam, but is merely a feature of Islamic culture in some areas. Aqsa Parvez was sixteen years old; her father, Muhammad Parvez, has been charged with strangling her to death because she refused to wear the hijab. Shahina Siddiqui, president of the Islamic Social Services Association, declared: “The strangulation death of Ms. Parvez was the result of domestic violence, a problem that cuts across Canadian society and is blind to colour or creed.” Sheikh Alaa El-Sayyed, imam of the Islamic Society of North America in Mississauga, Ontario, agreed: “The bottom line is, it’s a domestic violence issue.” But these dismissals are too easy, principally because they fail to take into account important evidence. In some areas, honor killing is assumed to be an Islamic practice. There is evidence that Islamic culture inculcates attitudes that could lead directly to the murders of these two girls in Texas. In 2003, the Jordanian Parliament voted down on Islamic grounds a provision designed to stiffen penalties for honor killings. In a sadly typical consequence of this early last year, a Jordanian man who murdered his sister because he thought she had a lover was given a three-month sentence, which was suspended for time served, allowing him to walk free. The Yemen Times just last week published an article insisting that violence against women is necessary for the stability of the family and the society, and invoking Islam to support this view. Since Islam is used as the justification for such barbarities, it becomes incumbent upon Muslim spokesmen to confront this directly, and to work for positive change, rather than simply to consign it all to culture, as if that absolves Islam from all responsibility. For this is the culture that apparently gave Yaser Said and Muhammad Parvez the idea that they had to kill their daughters. It is a culture suffused with its religion, thoroughly dominated by it -- such that a clear distinction between the two is not so easy to find. The killings of Amina and Sarah Said raises uncomfortable questions for the Islamic community in the United States, questions about the culture and mindset that people like Yaser Said bring to this country. Now that honor killing has come to Texas, Muslim spokesmen in the U.S. have an all the more urgent responsibility to end their denial and confront these cultural attitudes. If they don’t, and instead continue to glibly insist that religion has nothing to do with what happened to these poor girls, the murders of the Said sisters will only be the beginning of a new American phenomenon.[/quote] http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24329 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhrhrahraa Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 ^It's a rather old case. Again, barrier between culture and religion. If you're telling me honor killings is a part of Islam, I just have to say one thing: "Hey! Honor killings is a part of Christianity too!" Wow, look at how violent these Christians are. Disgusting. [url="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/jun/23/israel"]Christian Honor Killing[/url] Get a brain. It's cultural, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhrhrahraa Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 And look! [url="http://islam-west.com/2008/10/muslim-victim-of-christian-honour.html"]Another Christian honor killing.[/url] You guys are terrible. *Shocked* See, the cards can be flipped both ways. Grow up, blondie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted December 10, 2009 Author Share Posted December 10, 2009 [quote name='bhrhrahraa' date='09 December 2009 - 10:56 PM' timestamp='1260417370' post='2017239'] Grow up, blondie. [/quote] Do you like to beat up on girls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 [quote name='bhrhrahraa' date='09 December 2009 - 10:56 PM' timestamp='1260417370' post='2017239'] And look! [url="http://islam-west.com/2008/10/muslim-victim-of-christian-honour.html"]Another Christian honor killing.[/url] You guys are terrible. *Shocked* See, the cards can be flipped both ways. Grow up, blondie. [/quote] You'll have to cite Catholics for it to really matter. There are Coptic Catholics, but this appears only to be a Coptic Christian. In general, using the various Orthodox faiths will be somewhat meaningful, but citing protties and other sects would be like us citing, um..Nation of Islam, probably. I mean, they believe in UFOS and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhrhrahraa Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 [quote name='KnightofChrist' date='09 December 2009 - 10:58 PM' timestamp='1260417516' post='2017241'] Do you like to beat up on girls? [/quote] Nah, I like teasing them. Especially blondes. But let's not go off topic. We can discuss this elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted December 10, 2009 Author Share Posted December 10, 2009 What of Qur'an 4:15, and Islamic/Sharia Law that allows for the rape and starvation of women? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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