Muslims On Flight Cause Panic

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='extempers' date='10 December 2009 - 10:14 PM' timestamp='1260501299' post='2018094']
Growing stuff is a historical fact?
Really?

Ah well, alhamdillah for discussion.
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Apo already addressed this. Next.

[Hassan]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='10 December 2009 - 09:26 PM' timestamp='1260498376' post='2018047']
Robert Spencer is a brilliant man with outstanding credentials.

[b]ROBERT SPENCER is the director of Jihad Watch, a program of the David Horowitz Freedom Center, and the author of nine books on Islam and jihad, including the New York Times bestsellers The Truth About Muhammad and The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades). Spencer is a weekly columnist for Human Events and FrontPage Magazine, and has led seminars on Islam and jihad for the United States Central Command, United States Army Command and General Staff College, the U.S. Army's Asymmetric Warfare Group, the FBI, the Joint Terrorism Task Force, and the U.S. intelligence community.

Spencer has also written eleven monographs and well over three hundred articles about jihad and Islamic terrorism. Along with the bestsellers The Truth About Muhammad (Regnery) and The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) (Regnery), he is the author of Islam Unveiled: Disturbing Questions About the World's Fastest Growing Faith (Encounter); Onward Muslim Soldiers: How Jihad Still Threatens America and the West (Regnery); Religion of Peace? Why Christianity Is and Islam Isn't (Regnery), a refutation of moral equivalence and call for all the beneficiaries and heirs of Judeo-Christian Western civilization, whatever their own religious or philosophical perspective may be, to defend it from the global jihad; and Stealth Jihad: How Radical Islam is Subverting America without Guns or Bombs (Regnery), an expose of how jihadist groups are advancing their agenda in the U.S. today by means other than terrorist attacks.. He is coauthor, with Daniel Ali, of Inside Islam: A Guide for Catholics (Ascension), and editor of the essay collection The Myth of Islamic Tolerance: How Islamic Law Treats Non-Muslims (Prometheus). His latest book is The Complete Infidel's Guide to the Koran (Regnery). Spencer's books have been translated into many languages, including Spanish, Italian, Finnish, and Bahasa Indonesia.

Along with his weekly columns, Spencer has completed a weekly Qur'an commentary at Jihad Watch, Blogging the Qur'an, which has been translated into Czech, Danish, German and Italian. He is an Associate Fellow of the American Freedom Alliance and a contributing writer to Steven Emerson's Investigative Project on Terrorism. His articles on Islam and other topics have appeared in the New York Post, the Washington Times, the Dallas Morning News, Canada's National Post, Middle East Quarterly, WorldNet Daily, First Things, Insight in the News, National Review Online, and many other journals.

In addition to the seminars on Islam and jihad that Spencer has led for the United States Central Command, United States Army Command and General Staff College, a Department of Homeland Security task force, the FBI, branches of the Joint Terrorism Task Force, and the U.S. intelligence community, he has discussed jihad, Islam, and terrorism at a workshop sponsored by the U.S. State Department and the German Foreign Ministry. He has also appeared on the BBC, CNN, FoxNews, PBS, MSNBC, CNBC, C-Span, France24 and Croatia National Televison (HTV), as well as on numerous radio programs including Bill O'Reilly's Radio Factor, The Laura Ingraham Show, Bill Bennett's Morning in America, Michael Savage's Savage Nation, The Sean Hannity Show, The Alan Colmes Show, The G. Gordon Liddy Show, The Neal Boortz Show, The Michael Medved Show, The Michael Reagan Show, The Rusty Humphries Show, The Larry Elder Show, The Barbara Simpson Show, Vatican Radio, and many others.
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[b]Spencer (MA, Religious Studies, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill)[/b] [/i][/size]has been studying Islamic theology, law, and history in depth since 1980. As an Adjunct Fellow with the Free Congress Foundation in 2002 and 2003, he wrote a series of monographs on Islam that are still available from the Foundation: An Introduction to the Qur'an; Women and Islam; An Islamic Primer; Islam and the West; The Islamic Disinformation Lobby; Islam vs. Christianity; and Jihad in Context. More recently he has also written monographs for the David Horowitz Freedom Center: What Americans Need to Know About Jihad; The Violent Oppression of Women In Islam (with Phyllis Chesler); Islamic Leaders' Plan for Genocide; and Muslim Persecution of Christians.[/b]
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That always makes me cringe.

You know we have a book store stand where like Alumni and Faculty authors who are published are feature. I've never seen anything by him featured. I don't know if the school is embarrassed to be associated with him or what. I guess the business school would be proud of him. Perhaps they have his stuff displayed somewhere.

[extempers]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='10 December 2009 - 10:09 PM' timestamp='1260500972' post='2018089']
People buy audio books for reasons other than disabilities. That's a very ignorant comment.
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Not at all, it's a human observation of how we seek knowledge. If he was picking up the bible or a fictional book, I would have no problem.
But to digest hate via audio? That's just sad.


There was a time when there was no such thing as a glossary or a table of contents. If you wanted to know something then you would have to read the whole book. People would travel far distances just to obtain certain information.

And this is how you could have one person who revolutionized science, math, history, law and yet still wrote countless books on Islam like Avicenaa/Ibn Rushd.


Now we have almost everything at our fingertips and yet we have become dumber, and yes I say this against myself as well.

But throw away this argument if you find it offensive, I apologize.

[extempers]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='10 December 2009 - 10:17 PM' timestamp='1260501459' post='2018099']
Apo already addressed this. Next.
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Hahah, he said it was a joke? Great apology

But you didn't address it. In fact you denied you even said it while I was present

My sister in humanity, why don't you just delete your post, or say it was an inappropriate comment and let's move on.

Or we can just continue tit for tat game where I continually call you out for it and you keep trying to read something in my posts that is not there? I should let you know I'm a TOTAL KID AT HEART so I got no problem playing

[extempers]

[quote name='mortify' date='10 December 2009 - 10:16 PM' timestamp='1260501376' post='2018096']
Are you saying Muhammad did not permit rape of captured women?
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No.

Are you saying you actually read some seerah books? How about a hadith collection in arabic?
You answer, I answer

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='extempers' date='10 December 2009 - 10:30 PM' timestamp='1260502218' post='2018103']
Hahah, he said it was a joke? Great apology

But you didn't address it. In fact you denied you even said it while I was present

My sister in humanity, why don't you just delete your post, or say it was an inappropriate comment and let's move on.

Or we can just continue tit for tat game where I continually call you out for it and you keep trying to read something in my posts that is not there? I should let you know I'm a TOTAL KID AT HEART so I got no problem playing
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I can't delete it. Sure, it was inappropriate. It was also said in the heat of an argument, things get out of hand. Furthermore I don't remember you being in that thread.

[extempers]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='10 December 2009 - 10:34 PM' timestamp='1260502460' post='2018106']
I can't delete it. Sure, it was inappropriate. It was also said in the heat of an argument, things get out of hand. Furthermore I don't remember you being in that thread.
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Thanks for the admission.

Moving on, Robert Spencer doesn't know squat about Islam, I have no idea what the original OP of this thread was and I wish everything discussed about Islam was on one thread.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='extempers' date='10 December 2009 - 10:40 PM' timestamp='1260502843' post='2018109']
Robert Spencer doesn't know squat about Islam,
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Lol, okay.

[mortify]

Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3371:
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Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.
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Can you imagine a man's will is so weak that he is unable to restrain himself from raping a captured woman? How does Muhammad respond when his companions ask how to rape these women? That doing so is a sin that offends Allah? No, he tells them not to bother with coitus interruptus. Yes folks, this is the man Muslims believe is the best example for mankind.

Edited December 11, 2009 by mortify

[extempers]

[quote name='mortify' date='10 December 2009 - 10:46 PM' timestamp='1260503164' post='2018112']
Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3371:
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Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.
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Can you imagine a man's will is so weak that he is unable to restrain himself from raping a captured woman? How does Muhammad respond when his companions ask how to rape these women? That doing so is a sin that offends Allah? No, he tells them not to bother with coitus interruptus. Yes folks, this is the man Muslims believe is the best example for mankind.
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Ahh the hadith/copy paster. Of course, this is the subject you would bring up
I love history arguments.
(interesting how you yet to answer any of my questions. There are so many fake ex-Muslims, it's kind of sad.)

Alhamdillah, Islam is an easy religion.
May Allah (swt) give you hidayah, hikmah and ilm. Ameen

I addressed the problem with copy/pasting hadiths a little bit here:
http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=101099&st=20


Do you want to open a new thread on this?
Takes much more to defend than to accuse.

Edited December 11, 2009 by extempers

[mortify]

[quote name='extempers' date='10 December 2009 - 11:22 PM' timestamp='1260505358' post='2018151']
(interesting how you yet to answer any of my questions. There are so many fake ex-Muslims, it's kind of sad.)[/quote]

Trust me, I am ashamed to have ever considered Muhammad a prophet of God.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='extempers' date='10 December 2009 - 11:22 PM' timestamp='1260505358' post='2018151']
Ahh the hadith/copy paster. Of course, this is the subject you would bring up
I love history arguments.
(interesting how you yet to answer any of my questions. There are so many fake ex-Muslims, it's kind of sad.)

Alhamdillah, Islam is an easy religion.
May Allah (swt) give you hidayah, hikmah and ilm. Ameen

I addressed the problem with copy/pasting hadiths a little bit here:
http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=101099&st=20


Do you want to open a new thread on this?
Takes much more to defend than to accuse.
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Why don't you explain the "proper interpretation" of that passage, as opposed to insulting him.

[mortify]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='11 December 2009 - 12:20 AM' timestamp='1260508829' post='2018210']
Why don't you explain the "proper interpretation" of that passage, as opposed to insulting him.
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Easier to insult me than engage in sophistry.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='mortify' date='11 December 2009 - 12:23 AM' timestamp='1260509014' post='2018215']
Easier to insult me than engage in sophistry.
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This is true. Welcome to the club.

[Socrates]

[quote name='extempers' date='10 December 2009 - 09:17 PM' timestamp='1260497861' post='2018041']
Who is the technical sovereign of Great Britain? What is her title?
In whose name did the British declare war and whose name did they seek victory and protection?

What of the other European powers? King Leopold II's torture and massacre of 10 million while occupying Congo was just some ideological fad right?[/quote]
King Leopold's massacre in the Congo had nothing to do with Christian religion, and was certainly not sanctioned by the Church.

And I'm not sure what the Queen of England's title really proves about anything. England (and most of Europe) has been effectively secular for a long time now, and the Church have never claimed that the actions of European monarchs are impeccable. The Church has often been at odds with the heads of European states.
Sorry, but trying to blame every misdeed of a Western government on the Christian Faith is absurd and false. There's no point in even trying to play that game.

[quote]And I'm sure we've both taken the same courses. Are you going to categorically claim there is no valid argument that Christianity was used for the base and spreading of Nazism?

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

Good luck with that.
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Hitler was a politician and a filthy liar. Yes, before coming to power, he made a few stump speeches where he talked a "Christian" talk to win support from Christians, but even Hitler in [i]Mein Kampf[/i] admitted that his public campaigning was propaganda and not to all be taken literally. (Funny how every politician becomes "Christian" on the campaign trail, even Obama.)
However, the facts of Hitler's life and reign prove that Hitler was far from Christian. He was baptized Catholic, but was an apostate, and stopped attending Church as a young boy. The reality is that Hitler was an atheist who despised Christianity, and once seizing power, persecuted any Christians that stood in his way. The chief Nazi officials were all committed atheists who despised the Christian religion - Goebbels, Himmler, Heydrich, Bormann, etc. In Nazi Germany, many Christian clergy were suppressed, imprisoned, and murdered, Christian organizations were forced to disband, and Church property was forcibly seized. The Nazis even ceased the celebration of Christmas. Catholic priests and religious were particularly persecuted in Poland and the Czech Republic, and the Nazis would try to force them to abandon their Faith. Priests and religious were even sent to death camps.
For a "good Christian/Catholic," Hitler sure to did a lot to oppose and persecute his own kind!

Hitler's private statements, as recorded by his close associates, reveal that he was extremely anti-Christian.

"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity. Bolshevism practises a lie of the same nature, when it claims to bring liberty to men, whereas in reality it seeks only to enslave them. In the ancient world, the relations between men and gods were founded on an instinctive respect. It was a world enlightened by the idea of tolerance. Christianity was the first creed in the world to exterminate its adversaries in the name of love. Its key-note is intolerance."

"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure."

"We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. We shall continue to preach the doctrine of National Socialism, and the young will no longer be taught anything but the truth."

"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."

"Christianity is a prototype of Bolshevism: the mobilisation by the Jew of the masses of slaves with the object of undermining society. Thus one understands that the healthy elements of the Roman world were proof against this doctrine."

"Pure Christianity-the Christianity of the catacombs-is concerned with translating the Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. "

"Kerrl, with the noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself."

"Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity. It will last another hundred years, two hundred years perhaps. My regret will have been that I couldn't, like whoever the prophet was, behold the promised land from afar. We are entering into a conception of the world that will be a sunny era, an era of tolerance. Man must be put in a position to develop freely the talents that God has given him."

"When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease."


The Catholic Church opposed the Nazis from the beginning, and Pope Pius XI stongly condemned the Nazi ideology in the encyclical [i]Mit Brennender Sorge[/i]. Despite recent anti-Catholic "Hitler's Pope" nonsense, the truth is that Pope Pius XII did more than anyone else during the war to protect the lives of Jews, so much so that the Chief Rabbi of Rome converted to Catholicism.
Here's some resources if you want to read more: [url="http://www.catholicleague.org/pius/framemain.htm"]Pope Pius XII and the Holocaust[/url], [url="http://www.catholicleague.org/pius/piusxii_faqs.html"]Pius XII FAQs[/url]

While Hitler did not have a Pope, he [i]did[/i] have a Mufti, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, [url="http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_grand_mufti.php"]Haj Muhammed Amin al-Husseini[/url], who shared Hitler's rabid anti-Semitism, and who was a close ally of Hitler.

So next, I suppose you're going to blame the horrors of Stalin on Christian piety?