One "big Mac" And Damnation Follows?

[Livin_the_MASS]

[quote name='the lumberjack' date='Apr 7 2004, 03:41 PM'] if you were to take all the warehouses full of papers and teachings and doctrines and prayers and everything else that encompasses the catholic church, and get rid of it, a week later no one would be able to agree on anything.

and thats reality.

there's SO much jargon and paperwork to try to wade thru to get to know the catholic church, and to attempt to comprehend it all, even the "basics", which is the duty of any diligent Christian...would be impossible.

impenetrable prose...word. [/quote]
your wrong in your statement, "the gates of hell will not prevail against it!"

[dUSt]

[quote name='the lumberjack' date='Apr 7 2004, 02:41 PM']
if you were to take all the warehouses full of papers and teachings and doctrines and prayers and everything else that encompasses the catholic church, and get rid of it, a week later no one would be able to agree on anything.

and thats reality.[/quote]
What? The Church has a hierarchy--that's how we agree. Not because of papers. Again, writings can be interpreted differently. The Church has been granted Apostolic [b]authority[/b] wich keeps us unified.

[quote]there's SO much jargon and paperwork to try to wade thru to get to know the catholic church, and to attempt to comprehend it all, even the "basics", which is the duty of any diligent Christian...would be impossible.

impenetrable prose...word.[/quote]
But the beauty of this all is that we don't have to comprehend it. We trust in Christ's Church.

[Bruce S]

[quote name='mulls' date='Apr 7 2004, 02:40 PM'] like i said, i just finished fasting....i broke it like 20 minutes ago.


maybe i shouldn't have said anything.


but the point seems to be that WHILE i was doing it i didn't make it obvious to people, just to say "look, i'm fasting."


i told two of my friends just for support, since we're all working for the same cause which was the reason for the fasting in the first place. [/quote]
There went your reward, by telling us here...grin.

[quote]Mat 6:16 Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, [b]They have their reward. [/b] [here on earth, and telling nullifies any reward in heaven]


Mat 6:17 But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face; 


Mat 6:18 That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly. 
[/quote]

[Jake Huether]

[quote name='the lumberjack' date='Apr 7 2004, 01:41 PM'] if you were to take all the warehouses full of papers and teachings and doctrines and prayers and everything else that encompasses the catholic church, and get rid of it, a week later no one would be able to agree on anything.

and thats reality.

there's SO much jargon and paperwork to try to wade thru to get to know the catholic church, and to attempt to comprehend it all, even the "basics", which is the duty of any diligent Christian...would be impossible.

impenetrable prose...word. [/quote]
Unfortunatly you are right. It shouldn't be that hard. But Protestantism and basically the stubornness of humanity has necessitated it.

You see, if we were the only Church, as Christ had desired, and if everyone followed the Church, as Christ had desired, then indeed there would not need to be paperwork.


By the way, if you were to take all the warehouses full of papers and teachings and doctrines and prayers and everything else that encompasses the Catholic Church, and get rid of it, you've just tossed out at least 25% of the Bible (the NT).


But the Church would still stand. Because while paper and inc may be destroyed, the Word of God endures forever. Principally because Christ has established a Church built on a ROCK to preserve His Word.

[Bruce S]

[quote]Resurrection and Relics

As a chief specimen of what I am pointing out, I will direct attention to a characteristic principle of Christianity, whether in the East or in the West, which is at present[b] both a special stumbling-block and a subject of scoffing with Protestants and free-thinkers of every shade and colour:[/b] I mean the devotions which both Greeks and [b]Latins show towards bones, blood, the heart, the hair, bits of clothes, scapulars, cords, medals, beads, and the like, and [color=red]the miraculous powers [/color]which they often ascribe to them. [/b]Now, the principle from which these beliefs and usages proceed is the doctrine that Matter is susceptible of grace, or capable of a union with a Divine Presence and influence. This principle, as we shall see, was in the first age both [b]energetically manifested and variously developed; [/b]and that chiefly in consequence of the diametrically opposite doctrine of the schools and the religions of the day. [b]And thus its exhibition in that primitive age becomes also an instance of a statement often made in controversy, that the profession and the developments of a doctrine are according to the emergency of the time, and that silence at a certain period implies, not that it was not then held, but that it was not questioned.[/b][/quote]

Cardinal Newman again, tries to show that things are continually EVOLVING, so where do things evolve ultimately TO?

Is there an END to evolution of doctrine, or can the Christian faith morph into anything that successions of men over time want it to?

Like meat again, one year IN, the next year OUT.

Every shifting, age by age changing, yet the Catholic Church always claiming it is the ultimate authority, even to the extent of contradicting the Bible, of course, the Bible is just the beginning of doctrine I guess.

Yeah, simple to understand...

Edited April 7, 2004 by Bruce S

[Brother Adam]

edited. oops

Edited April 7, 2004 by Brother Adam

[Livin_the_MASS]

[quote]Is there an END to evolution of doctrine, or can the Christian faith morph into anything that successions of men over time want it to?[/quote]

You can't answer that yourself?

The Church will blossom until one day we are at The Wedding Feast of The Lamb.

[Jake Huether]

[quote]Cardinal Newman again, tries to show that things are continually EVOLVING, so where do things evolve ultimately TO?[/quote]

Um.. Did I miss something? That quote doesn't even contain the word "evolve".

Develope is a different thing.

A human baby developes into a human adult, all the while remaining human.


A doctrine in its infancey contains Truth, and as it developes all the while it still contians Truth.

[dUSt]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Apr 7 2004, 02:57 PM'] how did you get an 80% warning level. holy smokes [/quote]
lol

Only moderators know what you're looking at. haha
...and Bruce knows why he's at 80% warning.

[Livin_the_MASS]

[quote]Yeah, simple to understand...[/quote]

Become like a child like your supposed to.