Has Anyone Switched From No To Tlm And

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I thought about making a poll to see who uses what, but don't have a lot of time right now. I have started attending the Traditional Latin Mass, which I love, but I didn't know the job was dangerous when I took it!

So the problem is that I use the 3 volume Divine Office, which basically follows the calendar of the Novus Ordo (it is similar to the 4 volume LOH in the States). But what I did not know is that the TLM uses a different liturgical calendar. For example, Christ the King was at the end of October instead of last Sunday, and St John of the Cross was yesterday instead of on December 14th.

So yesterday, I went to Mass for St John of the Cross, so decided to recite his Proper as well - I found the appropriate Proper in my Breviary but of course it is out of sequence and don't laugh now, but it made me all stressed! I feel as if I am living in two worlds.

So I thought about buying a Latin English Breviary with the calendar that matches TLM, but Baronious Press hasn't finished theirs yet, and I couldn't afford it anyway, and the only other ones I know are from the 60s and very hard to find or to afford (my flatmate has one that is gorgeous but it costs around $300-500 for all three volumes! I did find an old Carmelite Latin Breviary on eBay for just over a hundred dollars but it was in Latin only, with no English, and I don't feel up to that yet, and besides I am also feeling a sense of loss because I know the Divine Office so well, and to change is going to be a big wrench for me after finally feeling so comfortable with it!

So have any of you switched from NO to TLM and if so, what did you do about Breviaries and liturgical calendars etc? I can't go back to NO. I attend the occasional one in the city but it just doesn't speak to my heart the same way any more. So I do have to move on with this, don't I, and just go for the Latin English Breviary?? When I can afford it that is. How have others coped with this? I feel a sense of loss at giving up the Breviary that I have been praying every day for the past three years! arrgghh

Edited November 25, 2009 by nunsense

[Laudate_Dominum]

My missal has a tiny bit of the office so I've really been waiting eagerly for Baronius Press to finish their breviary. I have friends who use eBay acquired sets but I haven't done that.

I go by the TLM calendar too and ought to point out that you can find the traditional office online:

http://breviary.net/

http://www.breviary.net/index1.htm

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[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='25 November 2009 - 12:10 PM' timestamp='1259111440' post='2008864']
My missal has a tiny bit of the office so I've really been waiting eagerly for Baronius Press to finish their breviary. I have friends who use eBay acquired sets but I haven't done that.

I go by the TLM calendar too and ought to point out that you can find the traditional office online:

http://breviary.net/

http://www.breviary.net/index1.htm


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Thanks, I have been printing out the calendar on a month by month basis, but it is just the fact that my breviary uses a different calendar than the missal that kind of puts me off balance. I am probably just wound too tight!

[jeffpugh]

I go to the Extraordinary Form, and as I alluded to in another thread, I pray the OF office. I guess I don't have a problem about "both worlds". Same world, I think. Just different viewpoints. I try and keep up with both calendars. The OF is easier cause that's what I've been eased into but I find the EF to be easy. I don't think I wanna just go all the way over to EF, even for the one week psalter cause I like the new calendar of saints Sorry. I'm a fence-sitter

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='24 November 2009 - 08:10 PM' timestamp='1259111440' post='2008864']
My missal has a tiny bit of the office so I've really been waiting eagerly for Baronius Press to finish their breviary. I have friends who use eBay acquired sets but I haven't done that.

I go by the TLM calendar too and ought to point out that you can find the traditional office online:

http://breviary.net/

http://www.breviary.net/index1.htm


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[zunshynn]

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I've been looking for that smiley!

[OraProMe]

[quote name='nunsense' date='24 November 2009 - 07:54 PM' timestamp='1259110451' post='2008835']
I thought about making a poll to see who uses what, but don't have a lot of time right now. I have started attending the Traditional Latin Mass, which I love, but I didn't know the job was dangerous when I took it!

So the problem is that I use the 3 volume Divine Office, which basically follows the calendar of the Novus Ordo (it is similar to the 4 volume LOH in the States). But what I did not know is that the TLM uses a different liturgical calendar. For example, Christ the King was at the end of October instead of last Sunday, and St John of the Cross was yesterday instead of on December 14th.

So yesterday, I went to Mass for St John of the Cross, so decided to recite his Proper as well - I found the appropriate Proper in my Breviary but of course it is out of sequence and don't laugh now, but it made me all stressed! I feel as if I am living in two worlds.

So I thought about buying a Latin English Breviary with the calendar that matches TLM, but Baronious Press hasn't finished theirs yet, and I couldn't afford it anyway, and the only other ones I know are from the 60s and very hard to find or to afford (my flatmate has one that is gorgeous but it costs around $300-500 for all three volumes! I did find an old Carmelite Latin Breviary on eBay for just over a hundred dollars but it was in Latin only, with no English, and I don't feel up to that yet, and besides I am also feeling a sense of loss because I know the Divine Office so well, and to change is going to be a big wrench for me after finally feeling so comfortable with it!

So have any of you switched from NO to TLM and if so, what did you do about Breviaries and liturgical calendars etc? I can't go back to NO. I attend the occasional one in the city but it just doesn't speak to my heart the same way any more. So I do have to move on with this, don't I, and just go for the Latin English Breviary?? When I can afford it that is. How have others coped with this? I feel a sense of loss at giving up the Breviary that I have been praying every day for the past three years! arrgghh
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Hmmmm. How are you getting from St. Kilda to a EF Mass on Sunday? That'd be hard given how infrequently the trams run. My family lives five minutes from St. Kilda Beach so directions would be nice just incase I ever want to indulge in a bit of nostalgia

Edited November 25, 2009 by OraProMe

[Thomist-in-Training]

That has always bothered me! I don't have the money for one of those either! But I never have prayed the breviary regularly. I have the Little Office of the BVM, though, but that doesn't change, except in Advent and Christmastime.

By the way besides the sites listed there's also officiumdivinum.org with each day's traditional Office--except not Matins yet. In Latin only.

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[quote name='OraProMe' date='25 November 2009 - 04:09 PM' timestamp='1259125741' post='2009056']
Hmmmm. How are you getting from St. Kilda to a EF Mass on Sunday? That'd be hard given how infrequently the trams run. My family lives five minutes from St. Kilda Beach so directions would be nice just incase I ever want to indulge in a bit of nostalgia
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I actually live in Caulfield now with another ex-nun just down the street from St Aloysius church, the home of the Latin Mass in Melbourne (FSSP priests) so I walk there. I did live in St Kilda when I started attending though, and there are two trams going up Balaclava Rd that go to the corner of Hawthorn Rd - get off there and the church is a couple of doors down on Balaclava Rd. The trams are the number 3a to East Malvern and the 16 to Kew. They only run about every half hour on Sundays, but since there are two of them, it usually works out ok. There are direction on the website.
http://latinmassmelbourne.org/

On Sundays there are usually two Masses, an 8.30am Low Mass at Burke Hall in Kew (not Caulfield) and an 11am Sung Mass at Caulfield with the choir. This Sunday there will also be Advent carols at 7.30pm followed by supper. They also have a Facebook page for events.

The priests are great (confession is usually offered during Mass when there are two priests) and the choir is really good too (Gregorian chant). I go to daily Mass there as well, and only a handful go to that, but the Sunday Mass is usually quite well attended. If you do come, remember to pick up three pieces of paper as you enter the church, one is the white Bulletin, one is usually green, and is the Proper of the Mass for the day, and the third is a laminated page of the chants if you feel like singing along.

[OraProMe]

That sounds pretty good, I may come along one Sunday and check it out. Google says that St. Aloysius' is also a diocesan parish, does that work out well with the FSSP there? So it's a shared parish not a personal parish?

[Totus Tuus]

Personally I'd keep using the English so that you can be in tune with the liturgical calendar that the vast majority of the Latin rite world is following.

[Resurrexi]

I use the Monastic Diurnal. It does not have matins, but I do not have time to say matins anyway. It is also Benedictine rather than Roman, but I prefer the Benedictine psalter arrangement.

[rachael]

I'm having issues switching from Charmin to generic.

[Totus Tuus]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='25 November 2009 - 12:13 PM' timestamp='1259169227' post='2009268']
I use the Monastic Diurnal. It does not have matins, but I do not have time to say matins anyway. It is also Benedictine rather than Roman, but I prefer the Benedictine psalter arrangement.
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But Matins is my favorite office

[Gregorius]

Matins is cool when prayed early in the morning.

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[quote name='OraProMe' date='26 November 2009 - 12:03 AM' timestamp='1259154219' post='2009171']
That sounds pretty good, I may come along one Sunday and check it out. Google says that St. Aloysius' is also a diocesan parish, does that work out well with the FSSP there? So it's a shared parish not a personal parish?
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There is a school attached to St Aloysius. Probably because of this, the parish priest from St Anthony's in Glen Huntly does a Novus Ordo Mass three times a week at St Aloysius (once on Sunday at 9.30am and once on Wednesday at 9.15am and once on Friday at 9am - but I haven't managed to get to one yet to see what it is like. The rest of the time the Latin Mass uses the church (usually two Masses per day) and the FSSP fathers have also been given the rectory to use. They don't live in it because it used to be the home of another parish priest (who retired) and they had to live elsewhere and they still do, but the rectory is now used for offices and meeting rooms etc, more like a parish hall for the Latin crowd. I think the Archbishop is very keen on the FSSP fathers taking over (since he offered them the rectory) but also feels a need to provide the NO for those who don't want the EF. As far as I know, the sharing is working well, but that is probably because the priest from Glen Huntly has his own church and parish to take care of and must be happy that the FSSP fathers take care of St Aloysius.