Hackers Modern Robin Hood?

[jmjtina]

If this has been posted, my apologies.

I, for one, have never been convinced of global warming. However, [url="http://www.startribune.com/science/70700047.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUUsA"]the news is interesting.[/url]

[CatherineM]

What confuses me is what purpose they would have in falsifying data? Do these scientists have some kind of financial interests in a solar power company or something?

[IcePrincessKRS]

Their research funding has to come from somewhere.

[kamiller42]

I would like to give the hacker who exposed the fraud called global a Nobel Peace Prize. Unlike the U.S. president, this person has accomplished something that will change the life of billions of people for the better by beating down ridiculous global warming initiatives.

I would not call the hacker a Robin Hood. He's the little boy pointing out the emperor has no clothes. His work will put an end to a few threads around here, like [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=96783&hl=%22climate%20change%22&st=0"]this one[/url].

This is [url="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6679082/Climate-change-this-is-the-worst-scientific-scandal-of-our-generation.html"]the best article[/url] so far on the enormous scandal that has been dubbed Climategate. This scandal is HUGE.

The article lists charges and damages caused by this longtime manipulation of data.

1. Manipulation of scientific data.
2. Destruction of data to hide contrary evidence.
3. Destruction of data requested under the Freedom of Information Act, a crime.
4. Falsifying documents and misleading governments.
5. Manipulation of the public, a breach of trust.
6. Lying about "lost data" when it was requested.
7. Shutting out all valid contrary opinion by reputable scientists. Worst of all has been the attempts to falsely discredit these individuals.

Why would they do this?

1. Money
2. Money
3. Prestige

[Veridicus]

If Global Warming does indeed turn out to be a more of a hoax than true science, modern day Christians would have a perfect card to play any time someone time someone insisted that atheistic evolution is an infallible truth revealed by science...for Global warming used to also be an infallible truth.

[Mr.Cat]

[quote name='jmjtina' date='23 November 2009 - 09:11 PM' timestamp='1259028660' post='2008297']If this has been posted, my apologies.

I, for one, have never been convinced of global warming. However, [url="http://www.startribune.com/science/70700047.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUUsA"]the news is interesting.[/url][/quote]The consensus on global warming and global climate change is almost universally accepted, but less certain is how much humanity is responsible for these changes. It is possible that the warming trend was more natural than human caused. But to dismiss the entirety of the world’s research and almost universal assessment that there is something changing, which at one time including a warming trend, would be unfounded.

To blindly trust someone who claims they illegally stole this information seems unwise, moreover when the investigation into this supposed illegal activity isn't completed. It is still in the realm of possibility that this is fabricated itself. If the investigation finds that these illegally obtained documents are legitimate, it may be reason to suspect that people may have been exaggerating information to manufacture an exacerbated crisis. It does not necessarily suggest that no crisis exists in the first place.

But you are right, this is very interesting news...[quote name='Veridicus' date='29 November 2009 - 04:12 PM' timestamp='1259529152' post='2011330']If Global Warming does indeed turn out to be a more of a hoax than true science, modern day Christians would have a perfect card to play any time someone time someone insisted that atheistic evolution is an infallible truth revealed by science...for Global warming used to also be an infallible truth.[/quote]The Theory of Evolution taught in Catholic Schools and is found acceptable to the Catholic Church, we can even find Popes defending and supporting the Theory of Evolution. So no it wouldn’t be a "[i]card to play[/i]”.

[kamiller42]

[quote name='Mr.CatholicCat' date='29 November 2009 - 06:44 PM' timestamp='1259538244' post='2011489']
The consensus on global warming and global climate change is almost universally accepted, but less certain is how much humanity is responsible for these changes. It is possible that the warming trend was more natural than human caused. But to dismiss the entirety of the world’s research and almost universal assessment that there is something changing, which at one time including a warming trend, would be unfounded.[/quote]
The "world's research" is built on a lie. In fact, it's lies upon lies. I know it's hard to believe when a media is constantly telling you otherwise, but repeating the sames lies over and over doesn't make it true. When it comes to knowing the status of the climate, we are almost at square 1.

[quote]To blindly trust someone who claims they illegally stole this information seems unwise, moreover when the investigation into this supposed illegal activity isn't completed. It is still in the realm of possibility that this is fabricated itself. If the investigation finds that these illegally obtained documents are legitimate, it may be reason to suspect that people may have been exaggerating information to manufacture an exacerbated crisis. It does not necessarily suggest that no crisis exists in the first place.[/quote]
The university has acknowledged they were hacked. They won't vouch the authenticity of the emails because their reputation is on the line. It is extremely unlikely someone manufactured at least 68 megabytes of data, giving each email composition a unique personal touch.

Have you read the emails? It is a blatant manipulation of data by "reputable" scientists. Global warming alarmists have not denied their authenticity. They are claiming the quotes are out of context. Riiiigghhhhtt.

There is no crisis because real data, data not tainted by these criminals, stands in stark contrast to their theory.

[kamiller42]

[quote]SCIENTISTS at the University of East Anglia (UEA) have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of global warming are based.

It means that other academics are not able to check basic calculations said to show a long-term rise in temperature over the past 150 years.

The UEA’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU) was forced to reveal the loss following requests for the data under Freedom of Information legislation.

The data were gathered from weather stations around the world and then adjusted to take account of variables in the way they were collected. [b]The revised figures were kept, but the originals — stored on paper and magnetic tape — were dumped to save space when the CRU moved to a new building[/b].

[url="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936328.ece"]Source[/url]
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So much for the rigid discipline of science. These criminals should be locked up.

[Mr.Cat]

[quote name='kamiller42' date='29 November 2009 - 11:36 PM' timestamp='1259555818' post='2011730']The "world's research" is built on a lie. In fact, it's lies upon lies. I know it's hard to believe when a media is constantly telling you otherwise, but repeating the sames lies over and over doesn't make it true. When it comes to knowing the status of the climate, we are almost at square 1.


The university has acknowledged they were hacked. They won't vouch the authenticity of the emails because their reputation is on the line. It is extremely unlikely someone manufactured at least 68 megabytes of data, giving each email composition a unique personal touch.

Have you read the emails? It is a blatant manipulation of data by "reputable" scientists. Global warming alarmists have not denied their authenticity. They are claiming the quotes are out of context. Riiiigghhhhtt.

There is no crisis because real data, data not tainted by these criminals, stands in stark contrast to their theory.[/quote][quote name='kamiller42' date='29 November 2009 - 11:40 PM' timestamp='1259556022' post='2011734']So much for the rigid discipline of science. These criminals should be locked up.[/quote]So the whole world’s scientific community was fooled by a few short sighted individuals in the United States and perhaps the United Kingdom. Even the scientists of the Catholic Church, as in wearing roman collars working in the Vatican, who agreed that global warming and climate change is a very real threat.

Let me get this straight, so basically what you’re telling me is that every scientist across the entire world is wrong, but those who raise skepticism and objection with nothing but a distaste for science was right?

Edited November 30, 2009 by Mr.CatholicCat

[kamiller42]

[quote name='Mr.CatholicCat' date='30 November 2009 - 02:17 AM' timestamp='1259565439' post='2011840']
So the whole world’s scientific community was fooled by a few short sighted individuals in the United States and perhaps the United Kingdom. Even the scientists of the Catholic Church, as in wearing roman collars working in the Vatican, who agreed that global warming and climate change is a very real threat. [/quote]
Not fooled, colluded. There is direct colluding and indirect colluding between scientists. Why? Follow the money. Money, money, money. In order to get the big bucks, you need a big crisis to show off that big brain. This data dump from a UK university is the smoking gun; the study of global warming in its modern incarnation is a fraud.

And let's not forget what the Pope said...
[quote]The Pope condemns the climate change prophets of doom

Pope Benedict XVI has launched a surprise attack on climate change prophets of doom, warning them that any solutions to global warming must be based on [b]firm evidence and not on dubious ideology[/b].

The leader of more than a billion Roman Catholics suggested that [b]fears over man-made emissions[/b] melting the ice caps and causing a wave of unprecedented disasters [b]were nothing more than scare-mongering[/b].

The German-born Pontiff said that while some concerns may be valid it was vital that the international community based its policies on [b]science rather than the dogma of the environmentalist movement[/b].

[url="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-501316/The-Pope-condemns-climate-change-prophets-doom.html"]Source[/url]
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It's time for these "great men of science" to go to confession in addition to serving time. They manipulated the facts in order to serve a "dubious ideology" (It's good job security after all.) resulting in a breach of trust.

[quote]Let me get this straight, so basically what you’re telling me is that every scientist across the entire world is wrong, but those who raise skepticism and objection with nothing but a distaste for science was right?[/quote]
You have that backwards. It's the global warming skeptics who have the love for science. Science requires skepticism, to test and prove and re-test and re-prove. These criminals perverted science by turning it into a profit machine. (Al Gore became a billionaire from this eco-religion.) Science is the pursuit of the truth. These criminals turned it into a web of lies. Who has more respect for science, the criminals or global warming skeptics?

Edited November 30, 2009 by kamiller42

[Saint Therese]

[quote name='kamiller42' date='30 November 2009 - 11:27 AM' timestamp='1259598468' post='2011959']


You have that backwards. It's the global warming skeptics who have the love for science. Science requires skepticism, to test and prove and re-test and re-prove. These criminals perverted science by turning it into a profit machine. (Al Gore became a billionaire from this eco-religion.) Science is the pursuit of the truth. These criminals turned it into a web of lies. Who was more respect for science, the criminals or global warming skeptics?
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Brilliant!

[Didacus]

[quote name='kamiller42' date='29 November 2009 - 04:10 PM' timestamp='1259529040' post='2011327']
[snip]
Why would they do this?

1. Money
2. Money
3. Prestige
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1. Greed
2. Greed
3. Pride, vanity (the mother of all sins!)

I just hope this scandal will bring down their house of cards once and for all!

[Mr.Cat]

http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=19830 (Commit to sustainable development, fight global warming, Vatican tells U.N.)

http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=24053 (Global warming threatens world’s security, existence, Vatican tells U.N.)

http://media.www.theloquitur.com/media/storage/paper226/news/2008/04/10/News/Global.Warming.Provokes.Reaction.In.Catholic.Church-3333765.shtml (Global warming provokes reaction in Catholic Church)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-to-make-climate-action-a-moral-obligation-403120.html (Pope to make climate action a moral obligation)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_global_warming#Vatican - Pope Benedict XVI told up to half a million people, over a hillside near the Adriatic city of Loreto on the day Catholic Church marks its annual Save Creation Day, that world leaders must make courageous decisions to save the planet "before it is too late".

[kamiller42]

[quote name='Mr.CatholicCat' date='30 November 2009 - 02:20 PM' timestamp='1259608811' post='2012057']
http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=19830 (Commit to sustainable development, fight global warming, Vatican tells U.N.)

http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=24053 (Global warming threatens world’s security, existence, Vatican tells U.N.)

http://media.www.theloquitur.com/media/storage/paper226/news/2008/04/10/News/Global.Warming.Provokes.Reaction.In.Catholic.Church-3333765.shtml (Global warming provokes reaction in Catholic Church)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-to-make-climate-action-a-moral-obligation-403120.html (Pope to make climate action a moral obligation)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_global_warming#Vatican - Pope Benedict XVI told up to half a million people, over a hillside near the Adriatic city of Loreto on the day Catholic Church marks its annual Save Creation Day, that world leaders must make courageous decisions to save the planet "before it is too late".
[/quote]
Wonderful examples how some in the Vatican, an organization like many others that relies on reliable scientific research, has been mislead in regards to global warming. Don't forget from my list of charges...

"4. Falsifying documents and misleading governments.
5. Manipulation of the public, a breach of trust."

The Vatican is a perfect example of a victim of the crime by these scientists. The Vatican rightly believes we should take care of the planet because of the one who made it. Their desires were taken advantage of. They were vulnerable to the scam. This results of this deception makes the case stronger that prosecutions should be imminent.


Didacus,

Thanks for correcting my list. Yours is more accurate.

[Mr.Cat]

[quote name='kamiller42' date='30 November 2009 - 02:33 PM' timestamp='1259609637' post='2012064']
Wonderful examples how some in the Vatican, an organization like many others that relies on reliable scientific research, has been mislead in regards to global warming. Don't forget from my list of charges...

"4. Falsifying documents and misleading governments.
5. Manipulation of the public, a breach of trust."

The Vatican is a perfect example of a victim of the crime by these scientists. The Vatican rightly believes we should take care of the planet because of the one who made it. Their desires were taken advantage of. They were vulnerable to the scam. This results of this deception makes the case stronger that prosecutions should be imminent.


Didacus,

Thanks for correcting my list. Yours is more accurate.
[/quote]Well if your right, heads will roll, but I dont see that coming. I suspect nothing will come of this and that you are making this into something it is not. But we will see.