Lil Red Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 +J.M.J.+ so i'm reading a lot about how the H1N1 is no accident, that it was released on purpose, etc. etc. are these people just conspiracy theorists or is there something to it? example of something that was passed along to me today: http://www.letterfromserendipity.com/serendipity27.htm#Truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philothea Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 [quote name='Lil Red' date='23 November 2009 - 01:57 PM' timestamp='1259002665' post='2007991'] +J.M.J.+ so i'm reading a lot about how the H1N1 is no accident, that it was released on purpose, etc. etc. are these people just conspiracy theorists or is there something to it? example of something that was passed along to me today: http://www.letterfromserendipity.com/serendipity27.htm#Truth [/quote] Conspiracy theorists. Just working off memory here, but we know who the first patient was, don't we? Little boy in Mexico, last fall? (I can look it up if this isn't ringing bells.) Besides, it's a lame, wimpy flu so far. If it was engineered, they did a bad job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardillacid Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Conspiracy croutons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissyP89 Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 All I know is I had a bad experience with the vaccine that I don't want to be repeated anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 I don't agree with the influenza vaccine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardillacid Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 [quote name='Sacred Music Man' date='23 November 2009 - 02:32 PM' timestamp='1259004773' post='2008029'] I don't agree with the influenza vaccine. [/quote] And what exactly did the influenza vaccine postulate that you would disagree with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 The fact that it is a virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 (edited) [quote name='philothea' date='23 November 2009 - 03:21 PM' timestamp='1259004096' post='2008017'] Besides, it's a lame, wimpy flu so far. If it was engineered, they did a bad job! [/quote] It's a combination avian, swine, and human flu. If it was engineered, they did a fantastic job. If it was engineered, it might not have been designed to be lethal, just probationary. It would be the best way in the world to further epidemiology, by tracking an already-known strain from day one. Not that I believe it is a deliberately-created virus that was deliberately set loose. But neither would I put it past some banally evil scientists doing so with the blessing of the State, as long as the innocents who died did so "for the common good." ~Sternhauser Edited November 23, 2009 by Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 [quote name='philothea' date='23 November 2009 - 03:21 PM' timestamp='1259004096' post='2008017'] ... If it was engineered, they did a bad job! [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 There are people who say the same thing about AIDS. I got my H1N1 shot 10 days ago, and it sure made my arm hurt, almost as bad as a tetanus shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 (edited) With psychotic John "if the population control measures are not initiated immediately, and effectively, all the technology man can bring to bear will not fend off the misery to come" Holdren in the President's employ, can anyone dismiss the idea that these or similar maniacs in power would deliberately let a virus loose? These are men, of course, who [url="http://rotenochsen.wordpress.com/2009/07/18/eugenics-has-a-position-in-the-white-house/"]spoke approvingly of mass forced abortions[/url]. Their moral compasses were manufactured in the Bermuda Triangle. ~Sternhauser Edited November 24, 2009 by Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philothea Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 [quote name='Sternhauser' date='23 November 2009 - 02:39 PM' timestamp='1259005188' post='2008038'] It's a combination avian, swine, and human flu. If it was engineered, they did a fantastic job. [/quote] That's normal for viruses. Horizontal gene transfer is how they get their genetic diversity. Bacteria too, actually. I double-checked (and wow, is my sense of time off... been busy!!) but yes, the origin was determined to be a pig farm in Mexico, earlier this year. Really, if anyone was going to engineer anything, a flu strain is kind of a waste. They mutate into highly contagious and/or killer strains all the time on their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 (edited) [quote name='philothea' date='23 November 2009 - 11:28 PM' timestamp='1259033284' post='2008358'] That's normal for viruses. Horizontal gene transfer is how they get their genetic diversity. Bacteria too, actually.[/quote] Humans messing with viruses can have interesting results. What is fantastic is that they didn't botch it with a little help from the [url="http://online.sfsu.edu/%7Erone/GEessays/killervirus.html"]law of unintended consequences. [/url] [quote]I double-checked (and wow, is my sense of time off... been busy!!) but yes, the origin was determined to be a pig farm in Mexico, earlier this year.[/quote] And Oswald bought his rifle from Klein's Sporting Goods Company, by mail order. But what does the original location of Oswald's weapon prove about the assassination? [quote]Really, if anyone was going to engineer anything, a flu strain is kind of a waste. They mutate into highly contagious and/or killer strains all the time on their own. [/quote] It's not a waste if A) Your plan is [i]not[/i] to kill people [yet] and B) your plan is to introduce a new, trackable strain and watch how a pandemic spreads and the virus mutates. ~Sternhauser Edited November 24, 2009 by Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' date='23 November 2009 - 04:44 PM' timestamp='1259019856' post='2008179'] I got my H1N1 shot 10 days ago, and it sure made my arm hurt, almost as bad as a tetanus shot. [/quote] I got the regular flu shot in my left arm and the H1N1 shot in my right arm on Saturday, and I had no pain from either shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philothea Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 [quote name='Sternhauser' date='23 November 2009 - 10:45 PM' timestamp='1259034354' post='2008371'] And Oswald bought his rifle from Klein's Sporting Goods Company, by mail order. But what does the original location of Oswald's weapon prove about the assassination? [/quote] Sorry, was responding more to the linked newsletter in the original post, which appears to be trying to relate some strain of flu accidentally released by "Baxter," and an outbreak of illness in the Ukraine, with the current H1N1 pandemic. People need to work a little harder on their conspiracy theories. At least [i]try[/i] to match the established facts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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