Shroud Of Turin Authenticated - Or Is It?

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='sacredheartandbloodofjesus' date='24 November 2009 - 08:57 PM' timestamp='1259114258' post='2008922']
maybe an extra cloth was on the outside of the full body linen over His head.
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The Sudarium of Oviedo

[KnightofChrist]

In 1999, Mark Guscin, a member of the multidisciplinary Investigation Team of the Centro Español de Sindonología, issued a detailed forensic and historical report entitled, "Recent Historical Investigations on the Sudarium of Oviedo." Guscin's report detailed recent findings of the history, forensic pathology, blood chemistry, and stain patterns on the Sudarium. His conclusion: the Sudarium and the Shroud of Turin had been used to cover the same injured head at closely different times.

[url="http://www.shroudstory.com/faq-sudarium.htm"]source[/url]

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' date='24 November 2009 - 09:06 PM' timestamp='1259114765' post='2008925']
In 1999, Mark Guscin, a member of the multidisciplinary Investigation Team of the Centro Español de Sindonología, issued a detailed forensic and historical report entitled, "Recent Historical Investigations on the Sudarium of Oviedo." Guscin's report detailed recent findings of the history, forensic pathology, blood chemistry, and stain patterns on the Sudarium. His conclusion: the Sudarium and the Shroud of Turin had been used to cover the same injured head at closely different times.

[url="http://www.shroudstory.com/faq-sudarium.htm"]source[/url]
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thank you! this is great to know...although I'm not entirely convinced (and it has nothing to do with scientists studies) I appreciate you helping me resolve my questions about this...

[Skinzo]

The reasons that the carbon 14 dating is under challenge is because some scientists now believe that the samples taken from the cloth were in fact parts of a medieval patch used to repair the Shroud after it was damaged in a fire. The medieval seamstress did such a good job of imitating the original weave that those who took the samples for carbon dating in 1988 did not realize they were really taking part of a patch, not the original fabric.
See: http://shroud.typepad.com/ohio_shroud_conference_me/

And: http://www.shroudofturin4journalists.com/

Another reason to doubt the carbon dating was the discovery in 2004 of a tenth century sermon (actually given in 944) which describes the Shroud in such a way as to leave little doubt the preacher had seen the same Shroud that we see today.
See: http://www.shroud.com/pdfs/guscin3.pdf

Still more evidence is provided by the "Pray Codex" which includes an illustration of the Shroud showing the "burn holes" evident today. The "Pray Codex" was written between 1192-1195.
See: http://www.shroudstory.com/faq-pray-manuscript.htm

S.

[mommas_boy]

Sigh. This is why scientists don't (or at least, shouldn't) use words like "confirmed", "denied", "authenticated", etc. Evidence may only ever "support" or "not support" a particular conclusion or hypothesis, but never validate a conclusion beyond doubt. Empiricism, despite it's much-flaunted status by the "enlightened", is really quite weak.

[Skinzo]

[quote name='mommas_boy' date='22 December 2009 - 11:24 PM' timestamp='1261538684' post='2024850']
Sigh. This is why scientists don't (or at least, shouldn't) use words like "confirmed", "denied", "authenticated", etc. Evidence may only ever "support" or "not support" a particular conclusion or hypothesis, but never validate a conclusion beyond doubt. Empiricism, despite it's much-flaunted status by the "enlightened", is really quite weak.
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One of my science teachers once said that "we never prove anything in science". I do agree that those who think the Shroud is a proven fake should not be so confident. I also think that those who believe it is authenticated beyond a doubt should not be so confident. This subject arouses passions in some and those passions are not conducive to a careful investigation. If it can be proven to date from the first century, that is still a long way from saying it is the burial wrapping of Jesus. I think that is something we will never be sure of.

S.

Edited December 23, 2009 by Skinzo