Resurrexi Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='20 November 2009 - 04:47 PM' timestamp='1258753672' post='2006435'] The whole liturgy - according to tradition - is supposed to be sung. It is good to have hope. [/quote] The Eucharistic Prayer has always been recited in the West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 [quote name='JimR-OCDS' date='20 November 2009 - 02:52 PM' timestamp='1258753950' post='2006441'] I pray that if anyone is thinking of checking out the Catholic Church, they try another Mass.[/quote] Eastern Churches do not celebrate the divine liturgy more than once a day. If a person misses the divine liturgy he should attended one of the hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' date='20 November 2009 - 02:54 PM' timestamp='1258754091' post='2006444'] The Eucharistic Prayer has always been recited in the West. [/quote] In the ancient Church it was chanted, even when it was done in a low voice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='20 November 2009 - 04:54 PM' timestamp='1258754094' post='2006445'] Eastern Churches do not celebrate the divine liturgy more than once a day. If a person misses the divine liturgy he should attended one of the hours. [/quote] If an Eastern Catholic misses the only Eastern Divine Liturgy celebrated on a Sunday, he should attend a Roman Rite Mass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='20 November 2009 - 04:55 PM' timestamp='1258754152' post='2006447'] In the ancient Church it was chanted, even when it was done in a low voice. [/quote] Can you provide more information on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' date='20 November 2009 - 02:56 PM' timestamp='1258754196' post='2006449'] If an Eastern Catholic misses the only Eastern Divine Liturgy celebrated on a Sunday, he should attend a Roman Rite Mass. [/quote] An Eastern Catholic is free to attend a Roman Rite Mass if he wishes, but he is not required to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Resurrexi' date='20 November 2009 - 02:57 PM' timestamp='1258754239' post='2006452'] Can you provide more information on this? [/quote] You can read almost any book by Fr. Taft, Fr. Bouyer, Fr. Cyprian Vagaggini, and practically any other good liturgical scholar, and it will cover the topic. The anaphora was originally sung out loud, but eventually the "secret" form took hold, which is why you will see legislation as early as the 6th century trying to keep it chanted aloud (e.g., the liturgical rubrics issued by the Emperor Justinian in the early to mid 6th century). The chanting of the anaphora among the clergy in the sanctuary is still normative in the Byzantine Churches, according to the liturgikon, even if it is not always done. The Orthodox are better at following liturgical tradition than the Eastern Catholics, and I say this as an Eastern Catholic. Edited November 20, 2009 by Apotheoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 Why did the "secret form" as you put it, take hold in the West for so long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Apotheoun' date='20 November 2009 - 04:58 PM' timestamp='1258754289' post='2006453'] An Eastern Catholic is free to attend a Roman Rite Mass if he wishes, [b]but he is not required to do that[/b]. [/quote] I disagree. Edited November 20, 2009 by Resurrexi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='20 November 2009 - 03:06 PM' timestamp='1258754819' post='2006470'] Why did the "secret form" as you put it, take hold in the West for so long? [/quote] It took hold in both East and West, and is a venerable tradition in its own right. As to why it became normative, I think it has to do with a growing sense of the [i]mysterium tremendum[/i]. But even when done in a low voice it is still chanted aloud. I have sometimes been able to hear the priest chanting the prayers in a low voice when I visit Orthodox Churches. Edited November 20, 2009 by Apotheoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' date='20 November 2009 - 03:08 PM' timestamp='1258754882' post='2006475'] I disagree. [/quote] I am happy for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 [quote name='JimR-OCDS' date='20 November 2009 - 03:33 PM' timestamp='1258752786' post='2006412'] Well, when it finally does come out, I hope they have a missal and they strongly urge people to buy one and use it at Mass. Perhaps the parishes can use this as an opportunity to properly catechize people on the Mass. However, my guess is that there's going to be a lot of confusion, as people will respond with old responses. Jim [/quote] +J.M.J.+ the bishops have already started a website: http://www.usccb.org/romanmissal/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 [quote name='Lil Red' date='20 November 2009 - 03:26 PM' timestamp='1258756009' post='2006503'] +J.M.J.+ the bishops have already started a website: http://www.usccb.org/romanmissal/ [/quote] I wish that they would use real iconography on the Missal instead of line drawings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='20 November 2009 - 04:29 PM' timestamp='1258756176' post='2006508'] I wish that they would use real iconography on the Missal instead of line drawings. [/quote] +J.M.J.+ yeah, it's pretty hokey, 70s feel to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 [quote name='Lil Red' date='20 November 2009 - 03:30 PM' timestamp='1258756231' post='2006510'] +J.M.J.+ yeah, it's pretty hokey, 70s feel to it. [/quote] Yes, I get the same "That 70's Show" vibe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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