Churches Head For A Showdown In Rome

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='20 November 2009 - 02:35 PM' timestamp='1258749324' post='2006345']
I think he would be okay with a situation that creates communion between Orthodox believers and Arians, Docetists, Gnostics, Nestorians, Iconoclasts, et al., and probably even pagans.
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I have no doubt whatsoever that you're correct.

[cappie]

Pope and Archbishop of Canterbury in ‘cordial’ meeting

The Archbishop of Canterbury had an approximately 20-minute meeting with the Pope today. The Vatican issued this statement afterwards:

This morning His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI received in private audience His Grace Rowan Williams, Archbishop of Canterbury.

In the course of the cordial discussions attention turned to the challenges facing all Christian communities at the beginning of this millennium, and to the need to promote forms of collaboration and shared witness in facing these challenges.

The discussions also focused on recent events affecting relations between the Catholic Church and the Anglican Communion, reiterating the shared will to continue and to consolidate the ecumenical relationship between Catholics and Anglicans, and recalling how, over coming days, the commission entrusted with preparing the third phase of international theological dialogue between the parties (ARCIC) is due to meet.

After the meeting, Dr Williams spoke to [url="http://www.oecumene.radiovaticana.org/EN1/Articolo.asp?c=336307"]VATICAN RADIO[/url]

[kafka]

I just want to throw out an eschatological view of this whole development. This very well could be the first movement of what Mary predicted at La Salette:

3. ‘A protestant nation from the north will convert to the faith and, by means of this nation, the other nations will return to the faith.’

4. ‘The pope who will come after this one will not be roman.’

it is written and implied in many places of Sacred Scripture and private revelations that the Protestant churches will return to the Catholic Church during the End Times. And this will occur based on the prayer of Christ at the Last Supper and the parable of the Prodigal Son and many other verses.

[jeffpugh]

Kafka, I remember you posted some prophesy given by an English king on his deathbed... something about the Church in England will split but will be later grafted on and more fruitful than ever. I do hope that will be the case with Anglicans coming home in droves. I do believe it can happen and that it's authentic.

[kafka]

[quote name='Sacred Music Man' date='22 November 2009 - 02:51 PM' timestamp='1258919473' post='2007350']
Kafka, I remember you posted some prophesy given by an English king on his deathbed... something about the Church in England will split but will be later grafted on and more fruitful than ever. I do hope that will be the case with Anglicans coming home in droves. I do believe it can happen and that it's authentic.
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I dont remember that one. I know Saint Edward the English king prophesied about the future of England, and there are a few other ones by the English Saints concerning England.

In any case they will all eventually return. Christ's prayer cannot fail. And the prophecy of the Prodigal Son cannot fail and the Father will answer the prayer of the millions of Catholics who pray for their return. Above where Mary says a following Pope will not be Roman means that after the Protestants will return a pope will be elected who was formerly a member of one of the Protestant churches. Some Catholics will resent this like the Older Son resented the Prodigal Son.

[BG45]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='20 November 2009 - 04:35 PM' timestamp='1258749324' post='2006345']
I think he would be okay with a situation that creates communion between Orthodox believers and Arians, Docetists, Gnostics, Nestorians, Iconoclasts, et al., [b]and probably even pagans.[/b]
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I would say his version of the Anglican Communion already does what I bolded, given this BBC article.

[url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/2172918.stm"]Archbishop becomes druid[/url]
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The new Archbishop of Canterbury has been inducted as a druid in a centuries-old Celtic ceremony.

Dr Rowan Williams, the current Archbishop of Wales, said that he had been "saddened" by the misrepresentations about the ceremony, which sparked concern about pagan links.

"Some people have reached the wrong conclusion about the ceremony," he said.

"If people had actually looked at the words of the hymns and text used they would have seen a very Christian service." [/quote]

[cappie]

Dr Rowan Williams gets 20 minutes with the Pope. They both know it's all over: Damian Thompson

The leader of a billion Roman Catholics meets the leader of 80 million Anglicans at a moment of historic crisis between the two Communions and they spend all of TWENTY MINUTES together. Here is the official communiqué from the Vatican:

This morning His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI received in private audience His Grace Rowan Williams, Archbishop of Canterbury.

In the course of the cordial discussions attention turned to the challenges facing all Christian communities at the beginning of this millennium, and to the need to promote forms of collaboration and shared witness in facing these challenges.

The discussions also focused on recent events affecting relations between the Catholic Church and the Anglican Communion, reiterating the shared will to continue and to consolidate the ecumenical relationship between Catholics and Anglicans, and recalling how, over coming days, the commission entrusted with preparing the third phase of international theological dialogue between the parties (ARCIC) is due to meet.

So, let’s get this straight. You have to deduct from the 20 minutes the time spent discussing “the challenges facing all Christian communities at the beginning of this millennium, and to the need to promote forms of collaboration and shared witness in facing these challenges”. That might take, what, five minutes? More likely eight, I’m guessing.

So that gives the Primate of All England about 12 minutes’ “face time” with the Supreme Pontiff to discuss the ecumenical earthquake of the Personal Ordinariates – but, in fact, it looks as if they devoted much of it to ARCIC, the official dialogue between the Communions which I thought had been wound down years ago. There’s going to be a “third phase” of this waffle? To discuss what? Tips on where to buy the tastiest organic biscuits to serve after Sunday morning services?

Pope Benedict has given up on the Church of England, in the nicest possible way. As even Dr Williams admits, he’s not interested in “poaching” Anglicans, but in making special arrangements for those who are quite determined to leave. And +Rowan, by rubbing the Vatican’s nose in the women priests issue earlier this week, showed that he has given up on the Catholics – again, in the nicest possible way.

Last year, Cardinal Kasper warned the Lambeth Conference that it had to decide whether it was Catholic or Protestant. Now we know the answer. Though some of us always did.