Lounge Daddy Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Abuse is ok is it's done by the State, it seems. This applies to government agencies who fail in their stated purpose--resulting in promotions and extra funding and the creation of eve more government agencies. And this applies to police doing things to children that if done by a parent, the parent would lose custody of the child and even end up in custody. From [url="http://www.rationalreview.com/content/72851"]The Rational Review[/url]: [quote] “It was an encounter one Ozark 10-year-old will likely never forget. Called to a home to help control an allegedly ‘unruly child,’ an Ozark police officer was reportedly told by the girl’s mother that he could use the electric weapon to subdue her, according to 40/29 News Arkansas. However, the girl supposedly kicked the officer in the groin when he approached. ‘He had no other choice [but to Taser her],’ Ozark Police Choief Jim Noggle reportedly said. ‘He had to get the child under control.’” [editor’s note: He had all kinds of choices. For instance, he could have told the mother “I’m not your babysitter” - TLK] (11/18/09)[/quote] [url="http://rawstory.com/2009/11/arkansas-cop-taser-10yearold-girl/"]Other news link HERE[/url]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 When I was 10 years old, I was already 5'5" tall and could bench press 100 lbs. If I'd kicked a cop in the nads, he'd have been down long enough for me to get his gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 sometimes, there are ten year olds that i wish i could tazer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servus_Mariae Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Jesus_lol' date='18 November 2009 - 07:48 PM' timestamp='1258591711' post='2005195'] sometimes, there are ten year olds that i wish i could tazer... [/quote] Edited November 19, 2009 by Servus_Mariae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommas_boy Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Ok. I'm feeling brave. I'm going to go out on a limb here: At first glance, this story looks like something that went badly, couldn't have possibly gone better in any way, and got misrepresented by the press. Maybe this is because I teach in a city where 10 year olds are at recruiting age for gangs, but I kinda feel for the cop, in some ways, and wonder what the story left out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AccountDeleted Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Well, this little girl certainly got all the negative attention she was aiming for! There honestly weren't any other solutions that two adults could think of to stop this behavior? I mean, I had a seven year old special needs child who used to kick the walls with her feet while lying on the bed, and she would scream, sometimes for an hour or more. Usually I let her scream it out because when I tried to hug her she would kick and bite, but one day she seemed to be getting very hot and red cheeked, so I just picked her up bodily and carried her into the shower with me, and turned the cold water on us both! The shock of the cold water put a stop to the screaming and I could actually start to soothe her with words that she could hear. Afterwards when I was drying her off, I was able to hug her. Today she is an upstanding citizen who serves in the US military in Kuwait! Sometimes it takes a little imagination - but a tazer??? I don't know, seems a wee bit extreme to me, as well as being sort of counter-productive in the long run. What do other parents here think? She is screaming out for something - discipline yes, but also love and guidance and well, I don't know - but a tazer??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 All I know is that the information provided is enough for me to judge the entire situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 [quote name='Winchester' date='18 November 2009 - 05:06 PM' timestamp='1258592792' post='2005211'] All I know is that the information provided is enough for me to judge the entire situation. [/quote] And? what justice doth ye proclaim wise and venerable one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 [quote name='nunsense' date='18 November 2009 - 07:05 PM' timestamp='1258592724' post='2005209'] Well, this little girl certainly got all the negative attention she was aiming for! There honestly weren't any other solutions that two adults could think of to stop this behavior? I mean, I had a seven year old special needs child who used to kick the walls with her feet while lying on the bed, and she would scream, sometimes for an hour or more. Usually I let her scream it out because when I tried to hug her she would kick and bite, but one day she seemed to be getting very hot and red cheeked, so I just picked her up bodily and carried her into the shower with me, and turned the cold water on us both! The shock of the cold water put a stop to the screaming and I could actually start to soothe her with words that she could hear. Afterwards when I was drying her off, I was able to hug her. Today she is an upstanding citizen who serves in the US military in Kuwait! Sometimes it takes a little imagination - but a tazer??? I don't know, seems a wee bit extreme to me, as well as being sort of counter-productive in the long run. What do other parents here think? She is screaming out for something - discipline yes, but also love and guidance and well, I don't know - but a tazer??? [/quote] If you did that today in the US, you would be arrested, lose your job, and possibly end up on a sex offender database. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AccountDeleted Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' date='19 November 2009 - 01:10 PM' timestamp='1258596624' post='2005270'] If you did that today in the US, you would be arrested, lose your job, and possibly end up on a sex offender database. [/quote] You talking about the cold shower? We were both fully clothed at the time, and she was bright red in the face and overheating from her hour long screaming and kicking jag. When I told the social worker what I had done, she thought it seemed like a good idea - cooled her down (and me too since she was in my arms at the time) and stopped the screaming long enough for me to talk to her. This wasn't a job - this was my adopted daughter, who came from a home of drug dealers and severe criminal physical abuse. If I had let her continue the screaming, she would have made herself sick. A nice cooling shower for both of us at the same time, fully clothed, hardly constitutes abuse. In fact, after she was calmed down, we were able to hug, which she never wanted to do before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 [quote name='nunsense' date='18 November 2009 - 08:17 PM' timestamp='1258597072' post='2005277'] You talking about the cold shower? We were both fully clothed at the time, and she was bright red in the face and overheating from her hour long screaming and kicking jag. When I told the social worker what I had done, she thought it seemed like a good idea - cooled her down (and me too since she was in my arms at the time) and stopped the screaming long enough for me to talk to her. This wasn't a job - this was my adopted daughter, who came from a home of drug dealers and severe criminal physical abuse. If I had let her continue the screaming, she would have made herself sick. A nice cooling shower for both of us at the same time, fully clothed, hardly constitutes abuse. In fact, after she was calmed down, we were able to hug, which she never wanted to do before that. [/quote] I don't have any problem with what you did. I had to do the same kinds of things when my foster sons were younger. They were chemical exposure babies. It's just that common sense has gone out the window in North America when it comes to dealing with kids. Teachers aren't allowed to touch children, let alone hug them. We have been taking classes to become foster parents, and you wouldn't believe the rules they are laying down about not just disciple but ordinary things that parents sometimes have to do for kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AccountDeleted Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' date='19 November 2009 - 01:44 PM' timestamp='1258598699' post='2005311'] I don't have any problem with what you did. I had to do the same kinds of things when my foster sons were younger. They were chemical exposure babies. It's just that common sense has gone out the window in North America when it comes to dealing with kids. Teachers aren't allowed to touch children, let alone hug them. We have been taking classes to become foster parents, and you wouldn't believe the rules they are laying down about not just disciple but ordinary things that parents sometimes have to do for kids. [/quote] I think Australia might have a little more common sense than the US in this matter. I used to be a foster parent over ten years ago and even taught parenting classes to foster parents. We had things like the green light, amber light, red light rule of discipline, depending on whether the child's behavior was green light (not serious), amber light (potentially serious) or red light (dangerous) - and that influenced our responses. We also don't have the same litigious society here, although it is getting a little worse than it used to be. It is much more expensive here to file a case though since we have a two tier system comprised of solicitors, who prepare the case, and barristers, who argue the case, and this makes the costs even more. The social workers here are pretty good about working with the foster and adoptive parents and mine used to come every week or two to make sure everything was ok - she became part of the family. We were also able to ask for help and counselling for the kids and many other types of support. I think it's sad that even fathers now are worried about how they show affection to their children - because it might seem inappropriate to someone else! I totally believe in protecting children, but I do think sometimes society in general overreacts to some things (and not enough to others - like this tazer incident). It just doesn't make sense, but then we know who rules this world, don't we? Not forever though, not forever.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 This isn't the first tazering of a kid I've heard about. I just wonder if they cops figure that is safer to their careers than touching a kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' date='18 November 2009 - 07:17 PM' timestamp='1258600660' post='2005349'] This isn't the first tazering of a kid I've heard about. I just wonder if they cops figure that is safer to their careers than touching a kid. [/quote] Well, it's obviously safer for their balls to just tazer them first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AccountDeleted Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 (edited) [quote name='CatherineM' date='19 November 2009 - 02:17 PM' timestamp='1258600660' post='2005349'] This isn't the first tazering of a kid I've heard about. I just wonder if they cops figure that is safer to their careers than touching a kid. [/quote] Maybe someone needs to invent a tazer that doesn't stun - it just makes the kid seem really "uncool". No teenager could bear it! Edited November 19, 2009 by nunsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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