Fort Hood Suspect Charged With Murder

[AccountDeleted]

Read this today in the news...

[url="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091112/ap_on_re_us/us_fort_hood_shooting"][u]Fort Hood Suspect Suspect charged with murder[/url][/u]

[i]Officials told The Associated Press before the news conference that it had not been decided whether to charge Hasan with a 14th count of murder related to the death of the unborn child of a pregnant shooting victim. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak about the case publicly.[/i]

Pretty amazing stuff if they do charge him, and he is convicted of the "murder" of an unborn child! Wouldn't this also be stating something about abortion??!!! Let's pray that he is charged with this, it could set a precedent.

[HisChildForever]

He should also be charged with treason and terrorism.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='12 November 2009 - 03:01 PM' timestamp='1258063277' post='2001448']
He should also be charged with treason and terrorism.
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I agree.

[AccountDeleted]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='13 November 2009 - 09:01 AM' timestamp='1258063277' post='2001448']
He should also be charged with treason and terrorism.
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Yes, yes, yes, I agree, but my point here is that we are talking about charging him with the murder of an "unborn" child. Are there already precedents that say killing an unborn child is murder or not? Is so, why is there even any debate about abortion at all? If not, then this is pretty important stuff!

[Hassan]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='12 November 2009 - 05:01 PM' timestamp='1258063277' post='2001448']
He should also be charged with treason and terrorism.
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What do you base the treason charge on?

Terrorism is defensible (although most here certainly won't approve of such a charge, otherwise they'd have to revisit their positions on hate crimes).


From what I've seen he should be charged with murder.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Hassan' date='12 November 2009 - 05:16 PM' timestamp='1258064191' post='2001455']
What do you base the treason charge on?
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Based on his violation of allegiance toward the United States.

[zunshynn]

[quote name='nunsense' date='12 November 2009 - 03:07 PM' timestamp='1258063638' post='2001452']
Yes, yes, yes, I agree, but my point here is that we are talking about charging him with the murder of an "unborn" child. Are there already precedents that say killing an unborn child is murder or not? Is so, why is there even any debate about abortion at all? If not, then this is pretty important stuff!
[/quote]

There is precedent for it... [url="http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/abortion/unbornbill32504.html"]Laci and Connor's Law[/url], (or the Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004) passed in April 2004. (Laci Peterson was a woman murdered by her husband, Scott Peterson, when she was 8 months pregnant with their son, Connor in 2002)

Unfortunately it has had little effect on collective views toward abortion, other than infuriating pro-abortion advocates about the "stealthiness of anti-choicers."

The reason being that the law still holds that in cases of homicide, it is murder because the child is wanted by his family, and in the case of abortion, he is not.

Edited November 12, 2009 by zunshynn

[CatherineM]

Read this morning that he is going to be charged federally with 13 premeditated murders. That means he will be eligible for the death penalty. He's lucky they are going federal. Texas fries them quicker.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' date='12 November 2009 - 05:19 PM' timestamp='1258064388' post='2001457']
Based on his violation of allegiance toward the United States.
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This.

[Totus Tuus]

My understanding is that based on precedent shooting a pregnant woman is considered a double homicide federally.

[HisChildForever]

There is also no doubt in my mind that Hasan is a terrorist.

1.[b]Lt. Col. Ralph Peters to Bill O'Reilly: Ft. Hood Shooter Major Hasan Is An Islamic Terrorist - 11/06/09[/b]
Video link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCY1lsJg8zs

2.[b]Soldiers reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" — an Arabic phrase for "God is great!" — before opening fire Thursday, said Lt. Gen. Robert Cone, the base commander. He said officials had not confirmed Hasan made the comment.[/b]

And

[b]According to a Killeen police report in August, an Army employee was charged with scratching Hasan's car, causing $1,000 in damage. Apartment manager John Thompson said the man charged was a soldier back from Iraq, who objected to Hasan's faith and ripped a bumper sticker off the major's car that said: "Allah is Love."

Kim Rosenthal, another neighbor, said Hasan didn't seem too upset by his scratched vehicle, even though it was damaged so badly that he got a new one. "He said it was Ramadan and that he had to forgive people," Rosenthal said. "He forgave him and moved on."

Hasan appeared less forgiving to Dr. Val Finnell when they were classmates in a 2007-08 master's public health program at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md.

He said that at a class presentation by public health students, at which topics like dry cleaning chemicals and house mold were discussed, Hasan talked about U.S. military actions as a war on Islam. Hasan made clear he was a "vociferous opponent" of U.S. wars in Muslim countries, Finnell said.

"He made himself a lightning rod for things," Finnell said. "No one picked on him because he was a Muslim." [/b]

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091106/ap_on_re_us/us_fort_hood_shooting

3.[b][i]Radical Imam Praises Alleged Fort Hood Shooter, Urges Muslims to 'Follow in Footsteps'[/b][/i]

[b] The personal Web site for a radical American imam living in Yemen who had contact with two 9/11 hijackers is praising alleged Fort Hood shooter Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan as a hero.

The posting Monday on the Web site for Anwar al Awlaki, who was a spiritual leader at two mosques where three 9/11 hijackers worshipped, said American Muslims who condemned the attacks on the Texas military base last week are hypocrites who have committed treason against their religion.

Two U.S. intelligence officials told The Associated Press the Web site was Al Awlaki's. They spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence collection.

Anwar said the only way a Muslim can justify serving in the U.S. military is if he intends to "follow in the footsteps of men like Nidal."[/b]

Source: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,573174,00.html

4.[b]The BBC interviewed a muslim from the same mosque (the Islamic Community of Greater Killeen) attended by Nidal Malik Hasan. He left no doubt about the radical Islamic viewpoint:

Duane : I’m not going to condemn him for what he did. I don’t know why he did it. I will not, absolutely not, condemn him for what he had done though. If he had done it for selfish reasons I still will not condemn him. He’s my brother in the end. I will never condemn him.
Gavin Lee : There might be a lot of people shocked to hear you say that.
Duane: Well, that’s the way it is. I don’t speak for the community here but me personally I will not condemn him.
Gavin Lee : What are your thoughts towards those that were victims in this?
Duane : They were, in the end, [u]they were troops who were going to Afghanistan and Iraq to kill Muslims. I honestly have no pity for them. It’s just like the majority of the people that will hear this, after five or six minutes they’ll be shocked, after that they’ll forget about them and go on their day.[/u]

Who is "Duane"?

Duane Reasoner Jr., an 18-year-old substitute teacher whose parents worked at Fort Hood, said Major Hassan was told he would be sent to Afghanistan on Nov. 28, and he did not like it. “He said he should quit the Army,” Mr. Reasoner said. [u]“In the Koran, you’re not supposed to have alliances with Jews or Christian or others, and if you are killed in the military fighting against Muslims, you will go to hell.”[/u][/b]

Source: http://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2009/11/08/hasans-fellow-muslim-on-slain-soldiers-i-honestly-have-no-pity-for-them/

[zunshynn]

Not all terrorists are religiously motivated.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='zunshynn' date='12 November 2009 - 06:20 PM' timestamp='1258068039' post='2001486']
Not all terrorists are religiously motivated.
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I'm very impressed that it only took you three minutes to read my post (including the five minute video).

Just because all terrorists are not religiously motivated does not mean that THIS terrorist was not religiously motivated. The proof is right in front of your face.

[Era Might]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='12 November 2009 - 06:25 PM' timestamp='1258068326' post='2001487']Just because all terrorists are not religiously motivated does not mean that THIS terrorist was not religiously motivated. The proof is right in front of your face.
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Do you believe that any possible religious motivation is relevant to his eventual court case? I don't.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Era Might' date='12 November 2009 - 06:42 PM' timestamp='1258069369' post='2001495']
Do you believe that any possible religious motivation is relevant to his eventual court case? I don't.
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Then I am interested in hearing your opinion on the information I have provided, as well as your personal explanation. Other than "I don't," of course.

Edited November 12, 2009 by HisChildForever