Winchester Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 [quote name='Sternhauser' date='10 November 2009 - 09:48 PM' timestamp='1257907707' post='2000082'] Take the teeth and the claws away from a cat, put it in a dark room, and 3 rats will skeletonize it in minutes. ~Sternhauser [/quote] I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be a cow and piranhas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 [quote name='Winchester' date='10 November 2009 - 10:51 PM' timestamp='1257907874' post='2000088'] I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be a cow and piranhas. [/quote] I guess you're not familiar with D.C. rats. ~Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 [quote name='Lounge Daddy' date='10 November 2009 - 09:48 PM' timestamp='1257907713' post='2000083'] As a matter of fact, yes. You're right. And, by the way, it is true that it's my opinion that the Federal State should [i]not[/i] have any say on abortion and gay marriage. [/quote] The Church does think differently. Avoiding laws from government will not remove coercion and violence. It will merely move it to some other agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 [quote name='Winchester' date='10 November 2009 - 10:52 PM' timestamp='1257907965' post='2000090'] Avoiding laws from government will not remove coercion and violence. It will merely move it to some other agent. [/quote] Good. At least the other agent won't claim a monopoly on violence. ~Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 [quote name='Sternhauser' date='10 November 2009 - 09:54 PM' timestamp='1257908047' post='2000093'] Good. At least the other agent won't claim a monopoly on violence. ~Sternhauser [/quote] If they're any good, they will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 [quote name='Sternhauser' date='10 November 2009 - 10:37 PM' timestamp='1257907035' post='2000065'] An anarchist/voluntaryist can believe in laws. Many believe in a tort system, however. Antinomians do not believe in laws. ~Sternhauser [/quote] And I am pretty sure that automatons believe in the current two-party system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Winchester' date='10 November 2009 - 10:54 PM' timestamp='1257908084' post='2000096'] If they're any good, they will. [/quote] Remember that time? That time we had a disagreement on the definition of "violence?" . . . that was great. I think we're having the same kind of disagreement on the meaning of "Good." Kind of like, "Bad criminals go to prison. The best ones go to Washington." ~Sternhauser Edited November 11, 2009 by Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 [quote name='Lounge Daddy' date='10 November 2009 - 09:55 PM' timestamp='1257908140' post='2000099'] And I am pretty sure that automatons believe in the current two-party system. [/quote] What do snobs believe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Lounge Daddy' date='10 November 2009 - 10:55 PM' timestamp='1257908140' post='2000099'] And I am pretty sure that automatons believe in the current two-party system. [/quote] Hey, it's not their fault. Automatons do what they're programmed to do. ~Sternhauser Edited November 11, 2009 by Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 [quote name='Sternhauser' date='10 November 2009 - 09:56 PM' timestamp='1257908203' post='2000100'] Remember that time? That time we had a disagreement on the definition of "violence?" . . . that was great. I think we're having the same kind of disagreement on the meaning of "Good." Kind of like, "Bad criminals go to prison. The best ones go to Washington." ~Sternhauser [/quote] I'm using it in the sense of them being competent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 [quote name='Winchester' date='10 November 2009 - 10:58 PM' timestamp='1257908289' post='2000104'] I'm using it in the sense of them being competent. [/quote] One can use violence without a monopoly, and still be very competent. The great difference is, you don't need to do immoral things to maintain a monopoly on violence. ~Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 [quote name='Sternhauser' date='10 November 2009 - 10:00 PM' timestamp='1257908402' post='2000107'] One can use violence without a monopoly, and still be very competent. The great difference is, you don't need to do immoral things to maintain a monopoly on violence. ~Sternhauser [/quote] Any tyrant worth his salt wants that monopoly (which isn't really a monopoly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 [quote name='Winchester' date='10 November 2009 - 11:01 PM' timestamp='1257908476' post='2000110'] Any tyrant worth his salt wants that monopoly (which isn't really a monopoly). [/quote] Someone who claims the right to use force only against aggressors is not a tyrant. He's Joe Average. Joe Average doesn't want a monopoly. ~Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 [quote name='Sternhauser' date='10 November 2009 - 10:07 PM' timestamp='1257908830' post='2000122'] Someone who claims the right to use force only against aggressors is not a tyrant. He's Joe Average. Joe Average doesn't want a monopoly. ~Sternhauser [/quote] Joe Average shouldn't be runnning a country. That's what the aristocracy is for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Winchester' date='10 November 2009 - 11:08 PM' timestamp='1257908882' post='2000124'] Joe Average shouldn't be runnning a country. That's what the aristocracy is for. [/quote] Joe Average does run the country. The aristocracy merely pretends to, like a child with a hammer pretends to build things. Both of them only succeed in making a lot of noise and destroying the surrounding environment, while getting in the way of what the grown-ups are trying to do. A politician is a child writ large. ~Sternhauser Edited November 11, 2009 by Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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