House Oks Vote On Stupak Amendment To Cut Abortion Funding From Health

[Tony]

Abortion funding isn't part of the reform, great! but, the rest of the reform passed as well which is one foot in the door for liberals. They will try mutliple times to overturn the abortion bit. They would have a lot less momentum if no kind of reform passed.

[King's Rook's Pawn]

In fact, given that the vote was so close, had this amendment not passed, the whole bill probably would have been voted down. I suppose that the amendment should still have been brought up, just in case it could pass without. Nonetheless, I'm not in a celebratory mood right now. I hope the whole thing fails in the Senate.

Edited November 8, 2009 by King's Rook's Pawn

[Brother Adam]

They passed the amendment right now to move it to the senate. Without the amendment it would have been killed in the House. They will remove the amendment later.

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='King's Rook's Pawn' date='08 November 2009 - 03:11 AM' timestamp='1257664306' post='1998130']
In fact, given that the vote was so close, had this amendment not passed, the whole bill probably would have been voted down. ...[/quote]

I don't know about that. The amendment is probably just a move to passify the pro-life voters, and to make congressmen from very pro-life districts feel better about going along with this whole thing. [url="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/07/house-health-care-vote-br_n_349468.html&cp"]Rep. Stupak himself told this to reporters[/url]:

[quote]Health care has the votes whether anti-abortion amendment passes or fails. Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) told reporters that regardless of the outcome of the vote on his amendment, which would severely restrict coverage of reproductive health issues, the House health care bill is headed for passage. He is whipping support for the amendment and estimates he has 225 votes. If he’s right, the amendment will pass, and he predicted enough pro-life Democrats will vote yes on the final bill to put it over the top. But [b]if it fails, he said, enough pro-lifers will have been satisfied to have had their vote on the floor that they’ll turn around and support the final bill anyway[/b].[/quote]

Like everything else the Political Class is doing in Versailles DC, it's just a show to shut people up. They'll do what they want anyhow.

[King's Rook's Pawn]

[quote name='Lounge Daddy' date='08 November 2009 - 10:50 PM' timestamp='1257735003' post='1998596']The amendment is probably just a move to passify the pro-life voters, and to make congressmen from very pro-life districts feel better about going along with this whole thing.[/quote]

That's my point: is the amendment hadn't passed some of those congressman might have voted against the whole thing. Since the vote was 220/215, you would only have had to switch three votes. Not that I'm suggested the amendment shouldn't have been put forward, because it's very important and you have to take your victories as you get them. But it's a mixed blessing, IMO.

Edited November 9, 2009 by King's Rook's Pawn

[Apotheoun]

I can only hope that once the punitive taxation elements of the health care plan begin to kick in by 2013 that people use whatever means are at their disposal to resist the federal government.

Edited November 9, 2009 by Apotheoun

[kamiller42]

As someone mentioned, this amendment was just a bone thrown to buy some pro-lifer votes. I would not be surprised to see it toss out at some point.

A bigger question is whether including pro-life wording in the bill would justify this health care takeover? I am pro-life and still oppose this bill with or without pro-life wording.

[Aloysius]

with the forbidding of funding abortion, Catholics are free to support or oppose this bill. It's debatable, and it's fine to oppose it on political grounds if you wish. it'd be foolish to be upset that the Stupak amendment (if it survives to the final draft) gives you less ammunition against it.

[MithLuin]

Politics aside, I'm glad this got amended. I realize that nothing is fixed yet, as it has to get through the Senate next, but I think I would rather the amendment be attached than not. Meaning, even if I don't like the health care bill or don't want it to pass, I *really* didn't want it to pass without that amendment.

So...that part is good.

Of course, I also realize that if it came down to three votes, the whole health care bill could have been defeated without this. But I'm not sure if a rep would have changed their vote on something as momentous as this health care bill over the issue of abortion funding. Maybe....

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='kamiller42' date='10 November 2009 - 01:02 AM' timestamp='1257829338' post='1999366']
As someone mentioned, this amendment was just a bone thrown to buy some pro-lifer votes. I would not be surprised to see it toss out at some point.

A bigger question is whether including pro-life wording in the bill would justify this health care takeover? I am pro-life and still oppose this bill with or without pro-life wording.
[/quote]

That's something that I find totally amazing. The discussion among the Political Class is not at all [i]if this should be done[/i]. They are only talking about how to do it.

And of course abortion will funded through this program. As if government is a big fan of life.

[allis-challmers]

All I can say is thank God that the Pro life Democrats had enough guts to make the bill pro life. I think that there is such a thing as pro life democrates and this is proves that they can make a difference in a pro choice administration.

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='allis-challmers' date='10 November 2009 - 08:34 PM' timestamp='1257899643' post='1999965']
... to make the bill pro life. ...
[/quote]

They didn't make it pro-life. They just made some croutons taste a little less crappy.

[Jesus_lol]

glad this got passed, even if it just means you guys are more likely to get healthcare.
now, as a person who is against abortion, i have a question. if catholics deserve the right to not pay taxes for abortion, do i(speaking as if i was a normal american citizen) deserve the right to not pay taxes that go towards certain wars, wiretapping, death penalty, and other government funded practices that i find completely morally reprehensible, hypothetically? Should Quakers have the right to not pay taxes that go towards the military? or Amish have the right to not pay taxes that go towards the pursuit or use of modern technology? im sure i could think of other things.

its a valid question, involving personal and religious preference and rules, and involving some practices that directly or indirectly lead to lots of people dying.
If you think all these other concerns are valid, say so. if not, but you think the catholic right not to fund abortion is logical to honor for some reason above these, please explain why?
im not accusing, but i would like to hear your reasoning.

[Chestertonian]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' date='10 November 2009 - 07:20 PM' timestamp='1257906008' post='2000049']
glad this got passed, even if it just means you guys are more likely to get healthcare.
now, as a person who is against abortion, i have a question. if catholics deserve the right to not pay taxes for abortion, do i(speaking as if i was a normal american citizen) deserve the right to not pay taxes that go towards certain wars, wiretapping, death penalty, and other government funded practices that i find completely morally reprehensible, hypothetically? Should Quakers have the right to not pay taxes that go towards the military? or Amish have the right to not pay taxes that go towards the pursuit or use of modern technology? im sure i could think of other things.

its a valid question, involving personal and religious preference and rules, and involving some practices that directly or indirectly lead to lots of people dying.
If you think all these other concerns are valid, say so. if not, but you think the catholic right not to fund abortion is logical to honor for some reason above these, please explain why?
im not accusing, but i would like to hear your reasoning.
[/quote]

Tragically, tax dollars are already used to fund abortions, and the Catholics I know still pay their taxes.

Edited November 11, 2009 by Chestertonian

[CatherineM]

[quote name='Chestertonian' date='10 November 2009 - 09:20 PM' timestamp='1257909649' post='2000139']
Tragically, tax dollars are already used to fund abortions, and the Catholics I know still pay their taxes.
[/quote]
Yep, I pay taxes in two different countries that fund abortions.