10 Misunderstandings About The Church

[Lil Red]

+J.M.J.+
[quote name='Resurrexi' date='05 November 2009 - 12:43 AM' timestamp='1257403420' post='1996460']
I don't see why this is listed as a misunderstanding. There are many Catholics, including myself, who thing that unbaptized babies go to limbo.
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um, yeah. i wish i wasn't out of positives.

[quote name='goldenchild17' date='05 November 2009 - 02:30 AM' timestamp='1257409807' post='1996473']
until the Church formally declares on it, or at least gives compelling evidence against it, I will continue to believe in Limbo.
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[Apotheoun]

Below are a bunch of threads on the medieval Western Church's theory of "Limbo":

[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=98923"][u]Infants And Original Sin Entrusted to the mercy of God?[/u][/url]

[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=80284"][u]Unbaptized Infants the possible Catholic positions to hold[/u][/url]

[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=79951"][u]Limbo And Extra Ecclesiam[/u][/url]

[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=67075"][u]Pope Drops Limbo! Is the Church now in error?[/u][/url]

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='OraProMe' date='05 November 2009 - 02:35 AM' timestamp='1257413734' post='1996479']
Wow. An innocent infant is deprived of heaven because of an inherited sin he didn't commit? . . .
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I agree, such an idea is disgusting. As an Eastern Christian I reject the idea that anyone is born sinful or guilty.

[MIKolbe]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='05 November 2009 - 12:47 PM' timestamp='1257439665' post='1996551']
[b]#11 Turkey Bingo is not a scam even though Mrs Klingerfeldt seems to win every year.[/b]
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you just drink whatever KoolAid they hand you, don't you?

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='05 November 2009 - 12:01 PM' timestamp='1257444096' post='1996584']
I agree, such an idea is disgusting. As an Eastern Christian I reject the idea that anyone is born sinful or guilty.
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I'm going to continue maintaining that Latin Catholics agree with you.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='05 November 2009 - 11:04 AM' timestamp='1257444281' post='1996588']
I'm going to continue maintaining that Latin Catholics agree with you.
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Thankfully many do!

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='06 November 2009 - 05:01 AM' timestamp='1257444096' post='1996584']
I agree, such an idea is disgusting. As an Eastern Christian I reject the idea that anyone is born sinful or guilty.
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[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='06 November 2009 - 05:04 AM' timestamp='1257444281' post='1996588']
I'm going to continue maintaining that Latin Catholics agree with you.
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I'm with you guys!

[Mark of the Cross]

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[size="3"]Children may not have had sufficient time to phulfil the preceding qualifications, however it does leave open the possibility that baptism does not need to be a fysical submersion in water[/size].[size="3"] Can a person become baptised through prayer or by God's mercy and compassion for the innocent, especially children whose love I share with Jesus. Had the thief on the cross been baptised? Maybe he had been but it is doubtful[/size]

Edited November 5, 2009 by Mark of the Cross

[MC IMaGiNaZUN]

[quote name='cappie' date='05 November 2009 - 01:38 AM' timestamp='1257403092' post='1996458']

[b]8. The Catholic Church disagrees with science and shuns evolution:[/b] - This is not the conviction of the Catholic faith despite this popular stereotype. In fact, there have been many considerable scientific advances that have come from Catholic scholars and academics. One engaging reference is that of Monsignor Georges Lemaître . He was a priest from Belgium who suggested the Big Bang theory.

Also, the Catholic faith does not reject the theory of evolution although they do remain generally quiet about the very first days of the theory. In 2004, a Theological Commission led by Cardinal Ratzinger, released an announcement that said: “According to the widely accepted scientific account, the universe erupted 15 billion years ago in an explosion called the ‘Big Bang’ and has been expanding and cooling ever since. [...] Converging evidence from many studies in the physical and biological sciences furnishes mounting support for some theory of evolution to account for the development and diversification of life on earth, while controversy continues over the pace and mechanisms of evolution.” Catholic Schools around the globe use scientific evolution as part of their curriculum in their science courses.

[url="http://www.onlinedegree.net/10-common-misunderstandings-of-the-catholic-church-explained/"]http://www.onlinedegree.net/10-common-misunderstandings-of-the-catholic-church-explained/[/url]
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Just an interesting note, an Augustinian Friar, Gregor Mendel, founded the laws of inheritance that we know today as genetics. The Catholic Church has typically been very involved in science.

[quote name='cappie' date='05 November 2009 - 01:38 AM' timestamp='1257403092' post='1996458']

[b]9. Catholic Priests can’t get married:[/b] - To clarify this one, you will need to have a better comprehension of the principles of the Catholic Church. Within the Central Church there are different sectors, one of the most common ones the Roman Catholic Church. Then you have the Eastern Catholic Church. Both of these sections abide by the authority of the Pope and they practice the same doctrines but small areas such as worship are different. In the Eastern Church, priests can be married but they cannot become a Bishop. Although rare, there are some examples in the Roman Catholic Church in which a pastor who has converted from another religion are able to become priests even though they are married.

[url="http://www.onlinedegree.net/10-common-misunderstandings-of-the-catholic-church-explained/"]http://www.onlinedegree.net/10-common-misunderstandings-of-the-catholic-church-explained/[/url]
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There is a debate that some people think that the Church should allow married men to be ordained as priests. Married men are ordained as deacons. The reasoning, theologically, and customarily, becuase of the ontological change, there is no possibility for clergy to just magically get married. Yeah I know its complicated. Also in the case of some of the married Anglican clergy men, many will be ordained to the priesthood, but no ordained man will be able to get married validly. So the real issue is that Catholic Priests cannot get married, but there are some instances where married men can be validly ordained.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='cappie' date='05 November 2009 - 01:38 AM' timestamp='1257403092' post='1996458']
[b]9. Catholic Priests can’t get married:[/b]
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This is something else that was falsely labeled as a myth. Priests cannot "get married".

A married man may be ordained a priest in certain cases, but a man who has been ordained a priest cannot, afterward, marry.

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='06 November 2009 - 10:06 AM' timestamp='1257462397' post='1996795']
This is something else that was falsely labeled as a myth. Priests cannot "get married".

A married man may be ordained a priest in certain cases, but a man who has been ordained a priest cannot, afterward, marry.
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Now there's a mystery! Why would the order of proceedings have opposite rules? Care to give us an explanation?

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='Mark of the Cross' date='05 November 2009 - 04:36 PM' timestamp='1257456982' post='1996730']
Children may not have had sufficient time to phulfil the preceding qualifications, however it does leave open the possibility that baptism does not need to be a fysical submersion in water[/size].[size="3"] Can a person become baptised through prayer or by God's mercy and compassion for the innocent, especially children whose love I share with Jesus. Had the thief on the cross been baptised? Maybe he had been but it is doubtful[/size]
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This is known as "Baptism of Desire".
"For catechumens who die before their Baptism, their explicit desire to receive it, together with repentance for their sins, and charity, assures them the salvation that they were not able to receive through the sacrament" (CCC 1259).

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='05 November 2009 - 06:06 PM' timestamp='1257462397' post='1996795']
This is something else that was falsely labeled as a myth. Priests cannot "get married".

A married man may be ordained a priest in certain cases, but a man who has been ordained a priest cannot, afterward, marry.
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Technically, but that's more semantics than anything. All they have to do is change "get married" to "be married."

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='05 November 2009 - 11:47 AM' timestamp='1257439665' post='1996551']
[b]#11 Turkey Bingo is not a scam even though Mrs Klingerfeldt seems to win every year.[/b]
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You'll have to explain this one further like the other 10, my friend.

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='05 November 2009 - 01:01 PM' timestamp='1257444096' post='1996584']
I agree, such an idea is disgusting. As an Eastern Christian I reject the idea that anyone is born sinful or guilty.
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+1 if I had it (I feel I don't have nearly enough cookies for a day).

[quote name='MIkolbe' date='05 November 2009 - 01:03 PM' timestamp='1257444190' post='1996586']
you just drink whatever KoolAid they hand you, don't you?
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lawl. +1 for you too.

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='05 November 2009 - 06:06 PM' timestamp='1257462397' post='1996795']
This is something else that was falsely labeled as a myth. Priests cannot "get married".

A married man may be ordained a priest in certain cases, but a man who has been ordained a priest cannot, afterward, marry.
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True dat.

[Resurrexi]

Decree on original sin?