StColette Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='05 November 2009 - 02:07 PM' timestamp='1257448035' post='1996655'] Get three deer, and that's all the meat one person needs in a whole year. For an average family, that really takes a chunk out of the grocery bills, considering meat is one of the pricier items they'll regularly buy. [/quote] lol I was just calculating an estimate of what my family of four growing up spent on hamburger meat alone a year lol Holy cow! We probably averaged 6 pounds of hamburger meat a week growing up. With today's prices (I think I paid around 2.79 for a lb of ground beef last week) that comes close to $17 a week for that much hamburger meat. Now multiply that by the weeks in the year lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 [quote name='StColette' date='05 November 2009 - 01:15 PM' timestamp='1257448521' post='1996663'] lol I was just calculating an estimate of what my family of four growing up spent on hamburger meat alone a year lol Holy cow! We probably averaged 6 pounds of hamburger meat a week growing up. With today's prices (I think I paid around 2.79 for a lb of ground beef last week) that comes close to $17 a week for that much hamburger meat. [/quote] I don't even want to know what my family of five plus my cousin (that's five guys total) goes through in the average week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='05 November 2009 - 02:17 PM' timestamp='1257448633' post='1996665'] I don't even want to know what my family of five plus my cousin (that's five guys total) goes through in the average week. [/quote] lol At one point we had a family of six. My two oldest siblings are much older than me thus why I was really only used to a family of 4 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 The fact that hunters donate so much to deer meat to food-banks, suggest they're not eating much of what they kill, and do it more for sport. Jim Again your opinion When the deer goes to the processor, the hunter specifies how many pounds of the total goes to the food bank, but the hunter pays the whole price, and takes the rest home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='05 November 2009 - 02:57 PM' timestamp='1257451070' post='1996694'] When the deer goes to the processor, the hunter specifies how many pounds of the total goes to the food bank, but the hunter pays the whole price, and takes the rest home. [/quote] I believe some processors will actually process the meat for free if it's being given to the food bank, at least that's what I gathered from reading the different articles with regard to Sportsmen Against Hunger. It seems a lot of the processors will not charge if the meat is going straight to the food banks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 [quote name='StColette' date='05 November 2009 - 04:00 PM' timestamp='1257451252' post='1996697'] I believe some processors will actually process the meat for free if it's being given to the food bank, at least that's what I gathered from reading the different articles with regard to Sportsmen Against Hunger. It seems a lot of the processors will not charge if the meat is going straight to the food banks. [/quote] Many also reduce the rate for the % going to the food bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 (edited) [quote name='JimR-OCDS' date='04 November 2009 - 04:51 PM' timestamp='1257371488' post='1996230'] For as you grow closer to God in love, you see God in all living creatures, [/quote] Your religion would probably be Animism, not Catholicism. All ya need is God in rocks and you're there. Edited November 5, 2009 by Winchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 [quote name='JimR-OCDS' date='05 November 2009 - 01:23 PM' timestamp='1257445419' post='1996601'] I just want people to be clear about my position. I have no problem with people who hunt, whether for sport and especially for food. Its just that in hunting, there is a level of violence associated with it, and its my belief as Thoreau stated, that men who grow, will grow out of it. I do believe its a spiritual thing. Jim [/quote] So how do you think chicken ends up in little packages in the supermarket? Or hamburger? I'm pretty sure there's some violence associated with that ... it's just not violence I personally have to engage in. I see absolutely no difference from a spiritual standpoint between eating meat purchased in a supermarket and eating meat one hunts for oneself. If anything, hunting for your meat is more honest because you must engage directly with the animal rather than separating yourself from the natural processes that bring meat to the table. I am pretty sure people as a whole are not going to "grow out" of eating meat, and I think the idea that killing and eating meat is a sign of spiritual immaturity is bogus. I know some vegetarians, and as a group they're no holier than the meat-eating population. Besides, if killing animals is less worthy than not killing, then why did God give St. Peter a vision in which he told him to kill and eat animals which had previously been considered unclean? Peter grew in faith by killing MORE types of animals, not fewer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 [quote name='Terra Firma' date='05 November 2009 - 09:28 PM' timestamp='1257478124' post='1996899'] So how do you think chicken ends up in little packages in the supermarket? Or hamburger? I'm pretty sure there's some violence associated with that ... it's just not violence I personally have to engage in. I see absolutely no difference from a spiritual standpoint between eating meat purchased in a supermarket and eating meat one hunts for oneself. If anything, hunting for your meat is more honest because you must engage directly with the animal rather than separating yourself from the natural processes that bring meat to the table. I am pretty sure people as a whole are not going to "grow out" of eating meat, and I think the idea that killing and eating meat is a sign of spiritual immaturity is bogus. I know some vegetarians, and as a group they're no holier than the meat-eating population. Besides, if killing animals is less worthy than not killing, then why did God give St. Peter a vision in which he told him to kill and eat animals which had previously been considered unclean? Peter grew in faith by killing MORE types of animals, not fewer. [/quote] If anything I'd think that hunting is more moral because the animal lives a natural life before it is killed. However it's not enough to keep me from eating commercially produced meat... so there we go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='05 November 2009 - 10:30 PM' timestamp='1257478248' post='1996900'] If anything I'd think that hunting is more moral because the animal lives a natural life before it is killed. However it's not enough to keep me from eating commercially produced meat... so there we go. [/quote] Ditto. I don't really like the taste of wild animals in general. My husband had some elk in the deep freeze and I told him he was going to have to cook it himself. I don't particularly care for venison either. I suppose if I were starving I would make an exception ... we do have a lot of deer and wild turkeys in our backyard, so at least it's handy if we ever need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 [quote name='Terra Firma' date='05 November 2009 - 09:34 PM' timestamp='1257478479' post='1996904'] Ditto. I don't really like the taste of wild animals in general. My husband had some elk in the deep freeze and I told him he was going to have to cook it himself. I don't particularly care for venison either. I suppose if I were starving I would make an exception ... we do have a lot of deer and wild turkeys in our backyard, so at least it's handy if we ever need it. [/quote] I don't really know what most of those taste like. I just know that I love my Alberta beef. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimR-OCDS Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 [quote name='Winchester' date='05 November 2009 - 05:36 PM' timestamp='1257456994' post='1996731'] Your religion would probably be Animism, not Catholicism. All ya need is God in rocks and you're there. [/quote] Read about St Francis of Assisi, who saw God in all things. One day St Francis picked up a handful of dirt and stated, "I feel the pulse of God, even in this dirth." I believe St Francis was Catholic. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif[/img] Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimR-OCDS Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 [quote name='Terra Firma' date='05 November 2009 - 11:28 PM' timestamp='1257478124' post='1996899'] So how do you think chicken ends up in little packages in the supermarket? Or hamburger? I'm pretty sure there's some violence associated with that ... it's just not violence I personally have to engage in. I see absolutely no difference from a spiritual standpoint between eating meat purchased in a supermarket and eating meat one hunts for oneself. If anything, hunting for your meat is more honest because you must engage directly with the animal rather than separating yourself from the natural processes that bring meat to the table. I am pretty sure people as a whole are not going to "grow out" of eating meat, and I think the idea that killing and eating meat is a sign of spiritual immaturity is bogus. I know some vegetarians, and as a group they're no holier than the meat-eating population. Besides, if killing animals is less worthy than not killing, then why did God give St. Peter a vision in which he told him to kill and eat animals which had previously been considered unclean? Peter grew in faith by killing MORE types of animals, not fewer. [/quote] Its not a matter of not eating meat, nor is it a matter of killing animals for that purpose, in order to survive. I'm not a vegetarian, and I believe eating meat is a part of a healthy diet. Heck, I follow the Atkins diet. As I said, I'm also not opposed to hunting. I no longer hunt, because for the individual who hunts, there is a level of violence involved. Not all shots are clean shots. Also, not all hunting is done to cull the herds. I watched many hunting shows on the out door network and have been to Texas, where sales reps take customers out to hunting preserves. Also, I use to hunt pheasants, and anyone who knows, pheasants are not native to this country, and in fact, don't survive well out in the wild. In fact, they're raised on farms, and then stocked in management areas, in the fall. Those birds which are not shot, are either killed by hawks or foxes, or die from the elements. As it was, when I hunted, because these birds were raised on farms, they're often use to dogs. My hunting dog on occasion would bring a bird back alive, because the bird wouldn't fly up, but just sat there for the dog to pick up. I would ring its neck and of course I ate whatever I killed. But, the level of violence involved, soon began to repulse me, and I lost my interest in hunting. I now see God's creation as a gift, and we need to treat animals humanely. The factory farms and stock yards are a disgrace. Anyway, its my preference, and those who still desire to hunt, so be it. I just think that as you grow spiritually, you'll grow away from such things. I use to do martial arts and was a boxing fan. I grew away from those things as well. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Don't tell me you have problems with martial arts too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 [quote name='JimR-OCDS' date='06 November 2009 - 10:12 AM' timestamp='1257516777' post='1997049'] Read about St Francis of Assisi, who saw God in all things. One day St Francis picked up a handful of dirt and stated, "I feel the pulse of God, even in this dirth." I believe St Francis was Catholic. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif[/img] Jim [/quote] So was St Michael ArchAngel and St George, the saints with the swords... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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