Totus Tuus Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 [quote name='TempleofVesarius' date='30 October 2009 - 02:54 PM' timestamp='1256928893' post='1993997'] A degree doesn't mean you know anything, it just means that you were able to drone through monotonous and sometimes meaningless tasks for an extended period of time and be a good student(read [i]employee[/i]). Our education system isn't designed to produce intelligent thinking individuals, its meant to produce [i]workers[/i]. [/quote] Well, speak for yourself. I am not sure what you mean by "our" education system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' date='30 October 2009 - 11:14 PM' timestamp='1256958843' post='1994203'] I use my degrees every day as well. [/quote] They must come in handy when that Canadian cold drops below zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 31, 2009 Author Share Posted October 31, 2009 I can't believe my hilarious story turned into a debate about education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='31 October 2009 - 12:09 AM' timestamp='1256962164' post='1994232'] I can't believe my hilarious story turned into a debate about education. [/quote] Sorry, I didn't even read your first post. It was too long and the graph scared me away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 31, 2009 Author Share Posted October 31, 2009 [quote name='Era Might' date='30 October 2009 - 11:10 PM' timestamp='1256962229' post='1994233'] Sorry, I didn't even read your first post. It was too long and the graph scared me away. [/quote] The graph is just to make sure you understand how stupid the kid was. Trust me, it's funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='31 October 2009 - 01:09 AM' timestamp='1256962164' post='1994232'] I can't believe my hilarious story turned into a debate about education. [/quote] I thought it hilarious that Al didn't think about what the graph means to distributionism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TempleofVesarius Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 [quote name='Totus Tuus' date='31 October 2009 - 01:00 AM' timestamp='1256961639' post='1994225'] Well, speak for yourself. I am not sure what you mean by "our" education system. [/quote] I mean the American education system. Just prior to WWI, when America's industrial power was starting to gain ground, a group called the Education Trust was formed by major industrialists,(Henry Ford, J.P. Morgan etc.) because they needed workers for their factories. This is what then President Woodrow Wilson said to the "Education Trust" about his vision for the education system: [quote]"We want one class of persons to have a liberal education, and we wantanother class of persons, a very much larger class of necessity inevery society, to forgo the privilege of a liberal education and fitthemselves to perform specific difficult manual tasks." — Woodrow Wilson [/quote] The whole point was to get individuals out of the farms and small businesses and feed the industrial giant that was growing, to produce [i]workers[/i]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totus Tuus Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 [quote name='TempleofVesarius' date='31 October 2009 - 09:01 AM' timestamp='1256994095' post='1994364'] I mean the American education system. Just prior to WWI, when America's industrial power was starting to gain ground, a group called the Education Trust was formed by major industrialists,(Henry Ford, J.P. Morgan etc.) because they needed workers for their factories. This is what then President Woodrow Wilson said to the "Education Trust" about his vision for the education system: The whole point was to get individuals out of the farms and small businesses and feed the industrial giant that was growing, to produce [i]workers[/i]. [/quote] Maybe for the public system, but that is not true about all private schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TempleofVesarius Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 [quote name='Totus Tuus' date='31 October 2009 - 11:36 AM' timestamp='1256999777' post='1994382'] Maybe for the public system, but that is not true about all private schools. [/quote] No, not all schools. I agree with that. But it is a very small percentage of the whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TempleofVesarius Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 [quote][b]2 - Getting into the corporate world[/b] Like it or not, most companies require a college degree to get intoa corporate job. A lot of times your major isn’t as important as thefact that you graduated. While [b]a college degree doesn’t prove that you [i]know[/i] anything,[/b] it does prove that you have the ability to [i]learn[/i]something. No one expects you to know everything you need to know whenyou move to a new job, there’s always a learning curve. At least adegree shows that you can learn and apply something successfully(enough to graduate at least). Not to mention, [b]having a degree showsthat you can start something and see it through to completion[/b], which isanother admirable trait that companies look for. [/quote] from: [url="http://www.knowtheledge.org/5-reasons-why-a-college-degree-is-important/"]http://www.knowtheledge.org/5-reasons-why-a-college-degree-is-important/[/url] That is my point exactly, only worded to make it sound like its a good thing. I just think instead of growing crops of cubicle dwelling, report writing, phone answering drones, we could be developing the next generation of intellectuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 [quote name='Era Might' date='30 October 2009 - 05:43 PM' timestamp='1256942625' post='1994115'] As a person seeking a degree in a liberal arts subject, I can attest that nothing kills humanity and personality like the modern university. [/quote] Depends on where you go, but the original purpose of liberal arts was to create "free men," who had the intelligence not to be slaves to general ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='30 October 2009 - 11:09 PM' timestamp='1256962164' post='1994232'] I can't believe my hilarious story turned into a debate about education. [/quote] How long have you been a member here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princessgianna Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='30 October 2009 - 01:20 PM' timestamp='1256926824' post='1993967'] This wasn't a slacker who doesn't show up and doesn't care. This was some keener kid that thought he had all the answers. That just makes it worse. Remember, in a few years this brilliant young man will have a degree. Soon enough he'll have a position of authority. Gross. [/quote] There is difference on being truly educated and having a piece of fancy paper that is a degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princessgianna Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 [quote name='Arpy' date='30 October 2009 - 03:38 PM' timestamp='1256935103' post='1994050'] Our society smells of elderberries. [/quote] Awesome optimistic view on the world-thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AccountDeleted Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 I think I am a pretty well educated person, but I took one look at that graph, and my eyes glazed over. Anything vaguely to do with graphs or charts or financials or market economies or anything even resembling statistics and I am overcome with the most amazing ennui and just tend to zzzzz.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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