pionono Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 This explains alot about modern church "music": Earlier this year, just before FTM's trusty old computer crashed and died, FTM received a fascinating email (now irretrievable) on that old St. Louis Jesuit, and former priest, Dan Schutte, who is now publicly identified as a partnered gay man. You know Dan Schutte: he's the composer whose music you hate to hear at Mass. And just think, every time you sing one of his copyrighted songs, published in the hymnals or monthly missalettes by Oregon Catholic Press (among others) in a half-dozen different languages, including Vietnamese, (e.g. "Glory & Praise," and Today's Missal), you are generating revenues for Dan's gay lifestyle. There really oughta be a law against Catholic publishers publishing the songs and other writings of former priests living what most Catholics consider a scandalous lifestyle. (Dan, by the way, is also supported by the (Jesuit) University of San Francisco, where he is "composer in residence" and "director of music" for university ministries. Schutte's most famous song, "Here I am, Lord" is the anthem for the gay rights movement within the Catholic Church, as the Los Angeles Tidings' Brenda Rees reported on February 9, 2001: "'Here I am, Lord. Is it I, Lord? I have heard you calling in the night. I will go Lord if you lead me. I will hold your people in my heart.' "The refrain of Dan Schutte's familiar opening refrain that filled St. Dominic Church in Eagle Rock Feb. 4 set the tone for the warm, almost-summer evening, where more than 400 people gathered to celebrate 15 years of the Ministry with Lesbian and Gay Catholics (MLGC). "'Here I am, Lord' is, in ways, an unofficial motto for the ministry that has grown and found its place within not only the Los Angeles Archdiocese but also the cities and parishes where it has taken root. The MLGC encourages gay and lesbian Catholics to remain (or return to) their parishes to fully participate in the service and life of the church [sic]. "For all those involved in the MLGC - including supportive pastors, religious, lay members and leaders - the evening was indeed a celebration of endurance, strength and commitment. At the end of the Mass, the ministry's director, Carmelite Father Peter Liuzzi, thundered to the crowds, 'We have passed through the door. This is our jubilee year!' "San Pedro Regional Auxiliary Bishop Joseph Sartoris presided at the Mass where more than 30 priests concelebrated....." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.SIGGA Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 [quote name='pionono' date='Jul 10 2004, 04:27 PM']Schutte's most famous song, "Here I am, Lord" is the anthem for the gay rights movement within the Catholic Church, as the Los Angeles Tidings' Brenda Rees reported on February 9, 2001: "'Here I am, Lord. Is it I, Lord? I have heard you calling in the night. I will go Lord if you lead me. I will hold your people in my heart.' "The refrain of Dan Schutte's familiar opening refrain that filled St. Dominic Church in Eagle Rock Feb. 4 set the tone for the warm, almost-summer evening, where more than 400 people gathered to celebrate 15 years of the Ministry with Lesbian and Gay Catholics (MLGC). "'Here I am, Lord' is, in ways, an unofficial motto for the ministry that has grown and found its place within not only the Los Angeles Archdiocese but also the cities and parishes where it has taken root. The MLGC encourages gay and lesbian Catholics to remain (or return to) their parishes to fully participate in the service and life of the church [sic]. [/quote] Umm... Check out 1 Samuel 3: [quote] 1 During the time young Samuel was minister to the LORD under Eli, a revelation of the LORD was uncommon and vision infrequent. 2 One day Eli was asleep in his usual place. His eyes had lately grown so weak that he could not see. 3 The lamp of God was not yet extinguished, and Samuel was sleeping in the temple of the LORD where the ark of God was. 4 The LORD called to Samuel, who answered, "Here I am." 5 He ran to Eli and said, "Here I am. You called me." "I did not call you," Eli said. "Go back to sleep." So he went back to sleep. 6 Again the LORD called Samuel, who rose and went to Eli. "Here I am," he said. "You called me." But he answered, "I did not call you, my son. Go back to sleep." 7 At that time Samuel was not familiar with the LORD, because the LORD had not revealed anything to him as yet. 8 The LORD called Samuel again, for the third time. Getting up and going to Eli, he said, "Here I am. You called me." Then Eli understood that the LORD was calling the youth. 9 So he said to Samuel, "Go to sleep, and if you are called, reply, 'Speak, LORD, for your servant is listening.'" When Samuel went to sleep in his place, 10 the LORD came and revealed his presence, calling out as before, "Samuel, Samuel!" Samuel answered, "Speak, for your servant is listening." 11 The LORD said to Samuel: "I am about to do something in Israel that will cause the ears of everyone who hears it to ring. 12 On that day I will carry out in full against Eli everything I threatened against his family. 13 I announce to him that I am condemning his family once and for all, because of this crime: though he knew his sons were blaspheming God, he did not reprove them. 14 Therefore, I swear to the family of Eli that no sacrifice or offering will ever expiate its crime." 15 Samuel then slept until morning, when he got up early and opened the doors of the temple of the LORD. He feared to tell Eli the vision, 16 but Eli called to him, "Samuel, my son!" He replied, "Here I am." 17 2 Then Eli asked, "What did he say to you? Hide nothing from me! May God do thus and so to you if you hide a single thing he told you." 18 So Samuel told him everything, and held nothing back. Eli answered, "He is the LORD. He will do what he judges best." 19 Samuel grew up, and the LORD was with him, not permitting any word of his to be without effect. 20 Thus all Israel from Dan to Beer-sheba came to know that Samuel was an accredited prophet of the LORD. [/quote] I guess we need to throw out Chopin and Tchaikovsky too (gay). "Here I Am" is a beautiful song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 [quote name='M.SIGGA' date='Jul 10 2004, 07:36 PM'] Umm... Check out 1 Samuel 3: I guess we need to throw out Chopin and Tchaikovsky too (gay). "Here I Am" is a beautiful song. [/quote] Not to mention Oscar Wilde, Willa Cather, and other authers as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 I find the Gather hymnal generally to be a little sappy for my tastes, but "Here I Am, Lord," is a beautiful song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
immaculata Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 Oscar Wilde's a little off the deep end, but Dorian Gray was.... entertaining.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 One of my favorite songs we use to welcome catechumens to the Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
immaculata Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 tho i have to agree, Pio, a lot of Schutte's music annoys the heck out of me! I'll have to make a list of dislikes. I don't mind the lyrics so much, but musically, "Here I am, Lord" is poorly written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Michael Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 I'd like "Here I Am Lord" more if the refrain didn't remind me of the Brady Bunch theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrea348 Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 [quote name='M.SIGGA' date='Jul 10 2004, 06:36 PM'] I guess we need to throw out Chopin and Tchaikovsky too (gay). "Here I Am" is a beautiful song. [/quote] I agree. We can't just throw away everything created by people who are gay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 That would be a silly notion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pionono Posted July 11, 2004 Author Share Posted July 11, 2004 (edited) I think his lifestyle influenced his music much more than those who lived and worked in societies where such aberrations were less than accepted. Edited July 11, 2004 by pionono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pionono Posted July 11, 2004 Author Share Posted July 11, 2004 Furthermore, Chopin and Tchaikovsky did not have a virtual monopoly on Churh music. Come to think of it, they were not even Catholic. There is no comparison. Wilde converted and left that lifestyle and to my knowledge his perverse lifestyle did not overly influence what he wrote. Apart from that, Dan Schutte's mucic is as insipid as it gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
immaculata Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 From what our Brit Lit teacher told us, Wilde's last words on his deathbed were, "Either this wallpaper goes, or I go." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thicke Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 [quote name='immaculata' date='Jul 10 2004, 10:21 PM'] From what our Brit Lit teacher told us, Wilde's last words on his deathbed were, "Either this wallpaper goes, or I go." [/quote] That's just wrong.....I don't care who you are.... :crackup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pionono Posted July 11, 2004 Author Share Posted July 11, 2004 Wilde had some decent stuff. Schutte... well, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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