graciandelamadrededios Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 There are a lot of published books about Carmel and the Reform of St. Teresa. Also, you can ask the sisters whenever you visit them. They might offer you extra books they have or loan you some books if they dont have anything extra. Gracian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carla Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 There are a lot of published books about Carmel and the Reform of St. Teresa. Also, you can ask the sisters whenever you visit them. They might offer you extra books they have or loan you some books if they dont have anything extra. Gracian Thank you,at the moment i'm, reading biography of St. Terese and 2 book about Carmel and their spirituality.Yes sister give me some great books and they are very helpful in any way possible.I need to learn much more about Carmel.But for now it is opened whole new world for my Faith and my vocation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemma Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Hi Gracian, Do you have any information about the Carmel monasteries in my home country (Germany/Austria)? Do you have any "recommendations"? :anyone: Thank you :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graciandelamadrededios Posted June 22, 2014 Author Share Posted June 22, 2014 Hi Gracian, Do you have any information about the Carmel monasteries in my home country (Germany/Austria)? Do you have any "recommendations"? :anyone: Thank you :-) Hello dear! I have corresponded with some of the monasteries in Germany several years ago and there several wonderful Carmels in your country. There are 3 monasteries of 1990 Carmels in Germany. Please see the Carmels I am recommending below for both Germany and Austria. 1990 Carmels: Wemding DEUTSCHLANDKapuzinengraben, 21 Speyer DEUTSCHLANDRemlingstr. 83 Hauenstein DEUTSCHLANDKapellenweg, 13 *****I wrote to Speyer and Hauenstein Carmels some years ago and they are very nice. 1991 Carmels: KölnDEUTSCHLANDVor den Siebenburgen 6 WittenDEUTSCHLANDAuf der Klippe 20http://karmel-witten.de/en/history/the-monastery.html Karmelitinnenkloster Himmelspforten Mainaustr. 40 97082 Würzburg http://www.karmelitinnen-wuerzburg.de/bwo/dcms/sites/bistum/glauben/geistliches_leben/frauenorden/himmelspforten/index.html The photo below is from: http://www.karmelitinnen-wuerzburg.de/bwo/dcms/sites/bistum/glauben/geistliches_leben/frauenorden/himmelspforten/index.html The photo above is one of my favorites so far. The habit is just lovely and they keep both day veil and the communion veil. I am not sure if all Carmels in Austria can trace their origin in Italian Carmels but I did notice some Carmels in Austria who maintains the Italian Discalced Carmelite Nuns custom of wearing a wooden cross outside their scapulars. Here are the list of Carmels in Austria: BärnbachÖSTERREICHHeiliger Berg 1 http://karmel-baernbach.graz-seckau.at/gottesdienst#.U6ZLVtIW3K0 Rankweil ÖSTERREICHTreietstrasse, 18 Innsbruck ÖSTERREICH Karmel St. Josef Mayerling 32534 Alland The photo below is from Barnbach Carmel which shows the Nuns wearing wooden crosses outside of their scapulars. I was told that there is another crucifix under the scapular which is pinned on top of the tunic - which is customary for majority of Discalced Carmelites. **** Czech Carmels also wore the wooden crosses outside their Scapulars since they came from an Italian foundation headed by Mother Maria Electa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graciandelamadrededios Posted June 22, 2014 Author Share Posted June 22, 2014 Thank you,at the moment i'm, reading biography of St. Terese and 2 book about Carmel and their spirituality.Yes sister give me some great books and they are very helpful in any way possible.I need to learn much more about Carmel.But for now it is opened whole new world for my Faith and my vocation. Hi Carla, If you have any questions regarding Carmel, please feel free to ask the questions here. We are more than happy to help you. God Bless you! Gracian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graciandelamadrededios Posted June 22, 2014 Author Share Posted June 22, 2014 Front View of Spanish Habit of the Discalced Carmelite Nuns: Refer to the excess white material of the toque covering the shoulders. Front View of French Habit of the Discalced Carmelite Nuns: Refer to the very little or no excess white material of the toque covering the shoulders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graciandelamadrededios Posted June 22, 2014 Author Share Posted June 22, 2014 Back View of Spanish Habit of the Discalced Carmelite Nuns: excess white material of the toque trailing at the back of their shoulder Back View of French Habit of the Discalced Carmelite Nuns: very little or no excess white material of the toque Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graciandelamadrededios Posted June 22, 2014 Author Share Posted June 22, 2014 Some of the Carmelite Monasteries who traces their foundation to Spanish - Mexican line have trimmed the white excess material of the toque. For example, Littleton Carmel have trimmed them down but essentially, their habit is still very Spanish-Mexican. But some monasteries still maintained the original toque - just like the ones I posted above. I am sure Chiqui will be able to provide us a list of American Carmels who keep the original Spanish style toque and those who modified them. I think if was Chiqui who mentioned that it was hard for the nuns to keep the white excess material of the toque clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bride of the Lamb Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) Hi, regarding the historic photo Gracian posted and the carmel at the former concentration camp: please note that this photo shows *not* the carmelite monastery of Auschwitz-Birkenau but a part of of the carmel of the Holy Blood in Dachau in Bavaria (some of the cells of the nuns to be accurate). This carmel has been founded in the sixties and it still exists at this very place. Also, the carmelite monastery in Auschwitz still exists, Pope Benedict visited the nuns some years ago. Following the quarrels at this place the nuns moved from the ground of the former concentration camp to a house outside the former camp but near the place. HTH. Edited June 25, 2014 by Bride of the Lamb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marigold Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Hi, regarding the historic photo Gracian posted and the carmel at the former concentration camp: please note that this photo shows *not* the carmelite monastery of Auschwitz-Birkenau but a part of of the carmel of the Holy Blood in Dachau in Bavaria (some of the cells of the nuns to be accurate). This carmel has been founded in the sixties and it still exists at this very place. Also, the carmelite monastery in Auschwitz still exists, Pope Benedict visited the nuns some years ago. Following the quarrels at this place the nuns moved from the ground of the former concentration camp to a house outside the former camp but near the place. HTH. Hi and welcome! My flatmate is German so I have picked up a bit - enjoying your blog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bride of the Lamb Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) Hi and welcome! My flatmate is German so I have picked up a bit - enjoying your blog! Thanks, that's nice of you to say (and welcome to my blog) :saint2: If anyone is interested in photos of the carmel mentioned I could post some of those. Some are also in this blogpost: http://brautdeslammes.blogspot.de/2012/02/warum-das-kreuz-nach-dachau-gehort.html Edited June 25, 2014 by Bride of the Lamb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graciandelamadrededios Posted June 29, 2014 Author Share Posted June 29, 2014 Hi, regarding the historic photo Gracian posted and the carmel at the former concentration camp: please note that this photo shows *not* the carmelite monastery of Auschwitz-Birkenau but a part of of the carmel of the Holy Blood in Dachau in Bavaria (some of the cells of the nuns to be accurate). This carmel has been founded in the sixties and it still exists at this very place. Also, the carmelite monastery in Auschwitz still exists, Pope Benedict visited the nuns some years ago. Following the quarrels at this place the nuns moved from the ground of the former concentration camp to a house outside the former camp but near the place. HTH. I have a booklet about Dachau Carmel but I cant recall where I placed them. Thanks for the reminder. Gracian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiquitunga Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 I think if was Chiqui who mentioned that it was hard for the nuns to keep the white excess material of the toque clean. Hi Gracian! that was VJAM :like: who's in a Spanish Carmel currently :pray: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiquitunga Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 (edited) Praised be Jesus Christ! Hello Gracian! I see you're online just now so thought I'd ask this question, although it may take some research. Do you know when Extern Sisters were first introduced to Discalced Carmelite monasteries? or even in general, when that vocation began/developed in cloistered nuns' monasteries? Thanks! God bless! edit: of course this question is directed to anyone who might know :like: Edited July 5, 2014 by Chiquitunga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graciandelamadrededios Posted July 5, 2014 Author Share Posted July 5, 2014 I am not sure when exactly but the rule of saint clare stipulates that sisters can be sent outside to beg. Extern Sisters before Vat II were third order sisters. Now, choir and extern sisters are of equal footing, though externs have separate statutes as per Carmelite Monasteries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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